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Absolute-Truth Forums » Forum: Truth Musings - Recent Posts http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ Enquiries into the truth that tends to the Absolute en Wed, 24 May 2017 04:12:50 +0000 Truth Seeker on "Fallacy of final judgement" http://absolutetruth.in/forums/topic/fallacy-of-final-judgement#post-148
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Truth Seeker 148@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p><strong>The cruel God of Christianity and Islam</strong><br /> <img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Bt_cTaFPphU/TuI9n5VPJrI/AAAAAAAA9Lk/8Po0noD6VW4/s1600/0702HeavenHell_002.jpg]Heaver or Hell"></p> <p><u>The One Way Lane</u><br /> For many forms of Christianity and Islam, the surrendering process you could say is voluntary — but you have a great choice: you want to go to heaven or you want to be burnt alive for trillions of years. Let me think about that. First of all the idea we burn in hell is actually an evil theory because what if you read in the newspaper that some guy in Los Angeles had twenty kids and he gave all his kids lot of things to do and a few of his kids were disobedient and did not do exactly what the father wanted them to. The father poured lighter fluid on them and ignited them and he did it in such a way so they would burn as long as possible. He tried, he did not want them to die very soon and burnt them alive. I mean that person would be considered the most evil monster. I often challenge audiences when speaking to come up with something, an act more evil than torturing your own children forever. And therefore if some of these Christian views were correct, the only rational conclusion would be that God would be most evil monster ever conceived by human beings. </p> <p><u>Why it doesn't make sense</u><br /> In Bhagavad-gita we find that it’s not like this fanatical thing where if you do not surrender, if you do not accept Christ in your heart you are going to be fried for a very long time. In Bhagavad-gita, when Krsna describes the mode of goodness it does not even include Him, in other words Krsna says in Bhagavad-gita you can be happy and actually be elevated, go to higher planets and never even accept Him. Krsna says in Bhagavad-gita, “sattvat sanjayate sukham” (sic), from goodness comes happiness. Krsna says, “urdhvam gacchanti sattva-sthah”, those situated in sattva guna, urdhvam gacchanti, they go upward. So you can be elevated, materially happy, live with the angels and all that and not accept Krsna. He is not the jealous God they [indistinct] it. This is a cosmopolitan, liberal deity. Krsna is not a religious fanatic. God is not a religious fanatic. It is interesting how you do have these religious fanatics in the world who think that God is one of them. So I mean think of it. In the middle of Oxford, England, the famous college town, in the middle of this old historic centre there is a monument, two-three Oxford professors of theology were burnt alive at the stake by the queen of England because the professors had got their positions when there was a Protestant monarch. And there was a change and a Catholic queen came to power and she did not want any Protestant theology taught, and they could not give it up, because, I mean they were in a sense not as violent as she was but philosophically they [indistinct] were foolish. They believed they would go to hell forever if they taught Catholic doctrine and the queen thought the students of these professors would go to hell forever if they believed what the professors were teaching. It is obviously very intuitive people, so the queen the burned them alive at the stake. I mean after all if God is going to burn the unrepentant, people will join the wrong church. If God is going to burn them forever and I just burn them for a half-hour, I mean God as in heaven and so on earth. I am walking in the path of the Lord by burning people alive. So despite all these piety and despite all of its excellent music and architecture, the point is that there was something despite all the good things there is something actually evil. There is something evil in such religions. There is something evil in it actually. I mean to burn people alive is evil especially because they don’t, they have studied different views on certain philosophical matters. To burn them alive is evil. To think that God would torture in the most hideous way, his own children, forever, because in the relatively tiny window of opportunity they were given to join the right church, they did not make that occur and there was no question of second chances, no second chance, you are just going to be put in the divine skillet. And you are going to be fried forever and God’s intension is not to save you or to rectify you because there is not a second chance. It’s not even some brutal, incredibly tough love, to get you to the right point. No! God has absolutely no further interest in ever saving you again. He only wants you to suffer forever. That is evil. That idea is actually evil and frankly, a lot of the anti-religious sentiments, a lot of them, I mean the fact that a large number of educated people in this country have a somewhat negative view of organized religion, obviously has to be traced to this evil, this monstrous perversion of religion. And in the Old Testament there are certain passages where certain people who thought they were prophets informed the people that God is speaking through them, that now God wants genocide to be carried out. I recall the worshippers of Baal, who was like some kind of demigod or local nature god in Palestine and so anyone who worships their god, the men, children, and women and all have to be murdered and God would be very displeased if any women or children were spared; in other words genocide. So now this tradition for all of its good points and there are good points, but this tradition in which God ordered genocide, where God tortures his own children forever if they make one mistake, this monstrous evil comes from a certain part of the world which is the Middle East. </p>
Truth Seeker on "Interview on Breaking India" http://absolutetruth.in/forums/topic/interview-on-breaking-india#post-144
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Truth Seeker 144@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p>The following is the complete text of our email interview with Rajiv Malhotra, co-author of the groundbreaking new book, Breaking India by Rajiv Malhotra and Aravindan Neelakandan. Comments, criticism welcome as always.</p> <p>ABTN: What prompted and/or inspired you to write a book like Breaking India, so vast and ambitious in scope knowing the kind of research and hurdles it potentially involved?</p> <p>Rajiv Malhotra: For years I had studied the various components that came together in this book’s thesis – such as the whole Aryan issue, the postcolonial critique of how the colonial rulers shaped Indian minds, contemporary missionary activities and related controversies, the role of what I refer to as the new Indian sepoys (i.e. disenchanted and cynical Indian intellectuals keen to impress their western sponsors), etc. In fact, I have written separately on each of these themes for over a decade. What galvanized my interest specific to this book was my sudden discovery of the Afro-Dalit Project, which is described in the book and which is the source of the map of a broken India used on the cover. My research into the forces behind projects of this kind turned into a very large enterprise, and it started to link these various threads that had been previously seen as isolated.</p> <p>ABTN: The very first chapter of your book is entitled "Superpower or Balkanized War Zone?" which is an interesting title. Several explanations have been provided trying to "define" India. A host of British scholars claimed very early that India was politically not one nation while the likes of Arun Shourie demonstrated (A Secular Agenda) that India was one nation united by the bond of common culture. Whatever today’s state of India, what does your research inform you? Is it a Balkanized war zone that has the makings of a superpower? If yes why? If no, why not?</p> <p>Rajiv Malhotra: India is a war zone between the unity of its civilization and its fragments becoming increasingly prone to tensions, and the whole argument is to explain how and why these faultlines are being exploited.</p> <p>If the state and polity are in phase with India’s civilizational soul then India is on its way to become a superpower. Every technological and social development then becomes a step in that direction. On the other hand, the forces that deepen the faultlines and fabricate new ones are having an opposite effect. Indeed, there are old, indigenous faultlines in Indian societies whose presence we acknowledge and which have to be rectified. The Dalit faultline is one example. Genuine grievances and injustices exist. There is no white-washing here. But we show how such existing faultlines are used by transnational forces to subvert India and label Indian civilization as hopeless and in need of being replaced by a superior imported variety. This can make Dalits believe that their liberation lies in toppling India’s civilization and nationhood. Suffice to say here that one of the great nation builders of modern India and a Dalit visionary, Dr. Ambedkar, did not subscribe to such views and stated that the quest for social justice should not run counter to national interest.</p> <p>Unlike the Dalit faultline, the Dravidian faultline is a fabrication created for colonial and evangelical purposes, and is today sustained by narrow-minded politics, evangelism and secessionist forces. Such racism can lead to civil wars and genocides as in Rwanda and Sri Lanka. It is the inherent civilizational strength of India rather than the wisdom of our politicians that has saved us so far from such tragedies. But there are forces working overtime to create such a situation in India. For example, we have Kancha Illaiah who openly advocates civil war in India based on a hate ideology that resembles something straight from the propaganda pamphlets of a Nazi magazine. And we have a prestigious academic publishing house publishing him, and he is invited to United States to provide atrocity literature against India. This is the ground reality we wish to expose.</p> <p>So in such a situation, India can either become a superpower or it can get balkanized giving rise to numerous civil wars and genocides. Breaking India aims to tilt the probability in favor of a strong India by raising the awareness of Indians on the evolving geopolitical Kurukshetra.</p> <p>ABTN: I understand you spent some 5 years researching this book. Could you share some insight into the whole process, methodology…anything, in a freewheeling sort of manner? Did you face any resistance from people you interviewed, etc…that sort of thing.</p> <p>Rajiv Malhotra: The data on the western nexus was far easier to gather than expected, due to transparency laws and also because these groups are proud of their "human rights work" in India. It is just an immense amount of travel and hard work to put it together, connect the dots, and inquire into details to bring about consistency. What they cannot stand is being told that all this effort is causing harm, is selfish, etc. The Indian side is not so transparent and that is where the funds inflow gets murky and prone to corruption. One cannot easily walk into an establishment and ask direct questions. Nobody has done that and there is anger, arrogance and even hostility when one is too explicit on such data gathering. The politics of knowledge is vicious and many so-called intellectuals are outright dishonest. Rather than objectively researching such a syndrome they are cahoots with it. But most awkward of all are those hypocrite Indians who are widely exposed in the book, who serve as mercenaries for such nexuses. They are middlemen empowered by the mechanisms that are critiqued in Breaking India. Yet they face society as social workers, activists, media or scholars. The book names several dozens of such persons and organizations. It is very audacious in naming names and not hiding behind abstractions. This is why the book expects to be attacked by this lot.</p> <p>ABTN: Your book names a lot of famous and influential names, many of whom aren’t portrayed in a flattering light. Was the intent to merely provoke or was it an inevitable part of your narrative context?</p> <p>Rajiv Malhotra: We want neither to provoke nor malign any individual. We have put out the hard facts including those facts that hurt. For too long, Indians have self-congratulated themselves about the breadth and depth of their knowledge by quoting William Jones or Max Muller. Many Tamil Saivaites feel as if they are indebted to G.U. Pope who translated Thiruvachagam to English. But they seldom know that the same G.U. Pope had denounced the principal saints of Tamil Saivism and had stated that Saivism harbors ‘the most deplorable superstitions anywhere to be found’. Many may feel uncomfortable that we have criticized Leela Samson, but we did not criticize her as an individual. We criticized her for twisting the spirit of the institution’s founder Rukmini Devi (Arundale). Rukmini Devi considers the Indian epics and classical dramas as having ‘very beautiful symbology.’ She wants the artist to ‘burn to ashes all thought which is dross and bring out the gold which is within’ just as ‘Siva burnt to ashes all that is physical’. But see how Leela Samson interprets the same Indian symbols. To her they are to be compared with Walt Disney’s characters, Batman and ‘the strange characters in Star Wars’. When we bring out these hard facts, it hurts those who do not want to see the truth. But it has to be told. As you have rightly said they are an inevitable part of our narrative context. We have also brought out many individuals in a positive light as well. For example, we have brought out the daring act of self-respect displayed by veteran singer Yesudas, walking out of a function when the minister refused to light the ceremonial lamp.</p> <p>ABTN: A recent review of Breaking India in the Outlook magazine pretty much trashed the book and the comments section has generated quite a rush of passionate responses. Of all mainstream reviews of the book I’ve read, the consistent theme seems to be one of negativity towards your book. I’ve read some positive reviews as well. What in your opinion is the general reception for your book?</p> <p>Rajiv Malhotra: Outlook‘s is the only negative review we have seen in the mainstream press. I am sure more will come as the individuals and groups named in the book find out and get their friends in the press energized. That will merely serve to bring out more visibility for the data we present and allow more people to judge the facts for themselves. The sepoys will fight back for sure. And neither do we want the book to be ignored.</p> <p>When we launched the book we made it clear that we have not spoken the last word on the subject and that we have initiated a debate. We want the intelligentsia of this country and the Diaspora to discuss and debate it with open minds. Generally we find, particularly with Tamil people, a very warm welcome. They have been always uncomfortable with certain aspects of the Dravidian polity. This book has explained clearly to them the factors behind this. Many Tamil scholars and intellectuals, from traditional scholars to modern thinkers, have expressed their endorsements. We are waiting for critical scholarly reviews of the book (unlike the Gita Ramaswamy variety that is so ridiculous that Mr. Vinod Mehta of Outlook ought to be ashamed of his low standards), from which we can learn, revise or enlarge the book in future editions. We have a vibrant online community of more than 1,000 scholars, students and activists who are discussing different aspects of the book, not always agreeing but arguing in the spirit of scholarship and learning. Readers of this interview too can join the discussions through our website: <a href="http://www.breakingindia.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.breakingindia.com</a>.</p> <p>ABTN: You’ve dedicated two whole chapters to Abdul Nasser Madhani. Is there any specific reason for singling him out, while there are far more dangerous homegrown Jihadi outfits like SIMI (now banned but by no means inactive) that probably deserve wider and deeper coverage?</p> <p>Rajiv Malhotra: Actually there are two sections in the last chapter (and not two chapters) that deal with Abdul Nasser Madhani. The book deals with Dravidian and Dalit faultlines and how Western interventions utilize them and deepen them. The subject matter of this volume is not jihad per se. Here we discuss Madhani and his outfit in the context of a curious phenomenon. We have named it the ‘Islamic slice of Pakistan’. We show how the Dravidian movement has colluded with Pan-Islamic secessionism even during pre-independence days and how these historic relations have helped nurture today a vast terror network across South India. In Kerala this is aided by vote bank politics. Also there has arisen a strange nexus within India between forces, which are antagonistic at the global level. For example we show how Dravidian, Marxist and so-called human rights NGOs joined hands to campaign for the release of Madhani who was the main accused in 1998 Coimbatore bomb blast that claimed 70 lives. The release of Madhani was projected as a victory of human rights in the 2007 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices, which was published by the US Department of State. Remember that this is a book about how forces inimical to Indian unity work in South India. Madhani and his outfits are undoubtedly a vital part of those forces and hence we have concentrated on him as an example of the nexus at work.</p> <p>ABTN: From reading your book, one gets an impression that the whole world is out to tear up India into pieces—from both the Right and Left in the US to parts of the US government to the Christian conversion lobby to the Dravidian "movement" to Islamists to the Western manipulators of Dalits to the NGOs to the Maoists. Your book does provide solid evidence to support these theses but I’m interested to know the exact gravity of the situation. Would you throw more light on this? Also, the possible solutions to stem this rot.</p> <p>Rajiv Malhotra: When you go to a doctor for a stress test his job is to uncover risk factors that might be hidden, including those that the patient wants to deny. Businesses do stress tests on their plans – in fact, that such independent due diligence was something I routinely did for a major American MNC in the 1980s. Similar risk analyses are important for a nation-state to do. These are routinely being done by national security and foreign affairs scholars in India as in every country. However, they focus on only the external threats. Many such analysts have supported the book, and privately said that to include internal faultlines in their security analysis is "not encouraged".</p> <p>We are not conjuring up a vision of ‘whole world is out to tear up India’. We mention that there are voices of ‘build up India’ as well, that are working for the unity and development of India. In any system there will be both centripetal forces (separatist) and centrifugal forces (unifying). Because the positive story of India is already well known, we decided to write a book on the centrifugal forces and their overseas allies, because this aspect has been neglected and is very controversial for most authors. This is a long overdue exercise, which the Indian intelligentsia should have taken up but did not because people do not want to face uncomfortable realities. Good news is always easy to sell making it less challenging to produce.</p> <p>How bad is the situation? Since we wrote the book many events have happened that confirm our fears. For example The Week dated 24-Apr-2011 has published a cover story on a nexus between Maoists and Lashkar e Toiba. Furthermore, the Catholic Secular Forum has sent mass emails asking its members to support USCIRF and has sent a message that US-based Indian Christian organizations support USCIRF’s putting India on a watch list of countries alongside Yemen, North Korea, etc. that lack religious freedom. India Today has published an investigative report on how enormous transnational funding is fuelling evangelism in the border state of Punjab. We do not know to what extend our book could have triggered this sudden interest in media coverage of such issues.</p> <p>This extraordinary situation needs extraordinary solutions. India must take responsibility and control to address its faultlines itself. Today, if there is a conflict between Dalit Hindus and non-Dalit Hindus, there are powerful mechanisms to give international publicity and exacerbate this conflict. But there are a lot of Dalit success stories where Dalits have advanced due to their own struggles and as a result of the affirmative action of the government. These stories never get encouraged by the international media. There are prominent temples employing Dalit priests; Dalit children winning state ranks and scholarships in Sanskrit; Dalit politicians and entrepreneurs thriving; Dalit social reformers and spiritual leaders who are venerated by all sections of society. But first we need to have widespread awareness of the problems we are facing. Breaking India is a crucial first step in that direction.</p> <p>ABTN: Lastly, you’ve been branded as a Hindutvawadi/Hindu fundamentalist in some circles—most notably, an attack on you in the Outlook magazine a few years ago by the Leftist, Vijay Prashad. Does this labeling bother you? Or do you have a response to such a characterization of you?</p> <p>Rajiv Malhotra: A few years back, OutlookIndia.com carried my debate with Vijay Prashad, well-known leader of Indian communists in the US academy. I request readers to read it at: <a href="http://www.outlookindia.com/taghome3.aspx?tag=102635&amp;name=Debate%3A+Rajiv+Malhotra++v%2Fs+Vijay+Prashad+" rel="nofollow">http://www.outlookindia.com/taghome3.aspx?tag=102635&amp;name=Debate%3A+Rajiv+Malhotra++v%2Fs+Vijay+Prashad+</a> (Readers should read the debate in the chronological order beginning with my first post on January 15, 2004. The order presented in the Outlook archive is mixed up.)</p> <p>Had Ms. Ramaswamy or Mr. Vinod Mehta read that, they would not have been able to make such nonsensical accusations. The reader of that debate will see where I stand on such topics as Hindutva, Hinduism, India, etc. In fact, Outlookindia.com imagined that Prashad would quickly score a knockout victory and hence it decided to make this debate a front page feature. But the outcome was entirely the opposite. Prasad stumbles, changes topics to get out of cornered positions. Then he simply runs away, claiming to be too busy all of a sudden.</p> <p>The following year, an Indian student group at University of California, Berkeley, invited Prashad and me to hold a live debate at their campus. I accepted the invitation. Prashad dragged his feet and did not respond despite numerous reminders. When the organizers finally caught up with him and pinned him down to respond, he told that he would need to be paid a hefty sum of money to take leave of absence from his college in order to spend the time preparing to debate me. I was astonished! Here is the poster boy of Outlook needing a few months to prepare to debate me? </p>
Anonymous on "How to be eco-friendly" http://absolutetruth.in/forums/topic/how-to-be-eco-friendly#post-143
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Anonymous 143@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p><em>There was an article requesting people to propagate the message of using cloth and jute bags instead of plastic bags to avoid its harmful effects. It was really a good initiative. The initiative was taken by a site called <a href="http://www.smallsteps.in" rel="nofollow">http://www.smallsteps.in</a></p> <p>Following article was a request to the site for an alternate approach for the problem.</em></p> <p>My approach to solve the environmental problems seem orthodox initially. But we can not always resort to unorthodox means. At times, a systematic approach is essential. For any problem, firstly we need to identify the root cause. The clogging of plastic, the depletion of ozone layer, the acid rains, radioactive waste, reduction of sea population etc are not problems but symptoms of some other bigger problem. Do you think that campaigning regarding the use of cloth bags etc is alone enough driving force for people to stop using plastic. We need some motivation for people to follow. What is it that drives people to do activities that will harm the nature and create disturbance? Getting an answer to this question will make one realize the difference between the symptom and the real disease. We need to think with an open mind. </p> <p>The Bhagavad Gita chapter 16 verses 13-15 say that </p> <p>The demoniac person thinks: "So much wealth do I have today, and I will gain more according to my schemes. So much is mine now, and it will increase in the future, more and more. He is my enemy, and I have killed him; and my other enemy will also be killed. I am the lord of everything. I am the enjoyer. I am perfect, powerful and happy."</p> <p>The above reference states that the problem is not these petty ones like improper waste disposal, misuse of plastic, paper, dripping water etc. The real problem is our tendency to lord it over everyone and everything. This is the real disease. If a person before taking an unnecessary printout realized that this paper and ink and the electricity is not his property but it belongs to the Lord who created it, and he is illegally taking the Lord's property for his personal pleasure, he will not do it.<br /> As I told earlier, my explanations may seem orthodox. But statistics prove my point. In modern world, people use anything and everything for their own pleasure and not even a bit is done for the pleasure of the Lord. People don't even want to give a few minutes of their time for the pleasure of the Lord. The consequences are that the world is in a chaos.<br /> On the contrary, in olden days, people lead a life centered around the Supreme Lord. If the lady of the house would cook food, she would do so for the Lord. If new clothes were brought, they would first be offered to the Lord. When people had time they would discuss topics of the Lord instead of wasting time or mundane TV programs and movies. Since the children would grow in such an environment they would naturally possess qualities to remain friendly with the Lord and his nature. No such campaign was separately needed. </p> <p> Irrespective of whether we believe in this or no, we are sure to suffer the reactions. And bringing changes in our life style to be centered around the Lord is no harm either. In fact, it gives much more pleasure. When we sing and dance in a party or something for some mundane song glorifying the beauty of some actor or actress, we get some pleasure. Just imagine how much pleasure we may get if we sing and dance glorifying the person who is alone responsible to create and destroy everyday millions of such beautiful persons all over the cosmic creation. </p> <p> My humble request to you is that we must get together and campaign in this regard. I am not speaking whimsically. I know many success stories in this type of campaigning. There are many people all over the world who have adopted the lifestyle I am mentioning and have become so environment friendly. They don't spend time watching TV, nor do they go for movies. When they go for outings, they don't throw bottles of soft drinks or alcohol here and there as they don't have them at all. And they do all this not by any force but by the enthusiasm they get in offering all that they possess to the Lord. This pleasure must be experienced, it can't be explained. </p> <p>Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita 5.29</p> <p>The sages, knowing Me as the ultimate purpose of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, attain peace from the pangs of material miseries.</p> <p>If we understand that the Lord is the enjoyer of everything, then we will be always at peace. Else we will always be in a situation of disturbance.</p> <p> <strong> We must not be sentimental and reject these statements just because we are told that they are present in some religious scriptures which are not scientifically proved.</strong> Nor does one become in-secular by accepting these statements. These are purely logical statements that are statistically proved also to do good to the society. This was a process that worked successfully once upon a time. With our current approach we have seen chaos and awaiting much more of it. Why should we not have an open mind to experiment this approach to solve the problem rather than curb the symptom.</p> <p>This is the campaign we can get together and propagate. This has till date given 100% success and all people influenced by this campaign have changed their life style and are a great boon to the nature and its creator. </p>
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Truth Seeker 137@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/cygnusx1/anomalies/UGC10214_HSTASC.jpg"><br /> <strong>About</strong></p> <p>Halton C. Arp is a professional astronomer who, earlier in his career, was Edwin Hubble’s assistant. He has earned the Helen B.Warner prize, the Newcomb Cleveland award and the Alexander von Humboldt Senior Scientist Award. For years he worked at the Mt. Palomar and Mt. Wilson observatories. While there, he developed his well known catalog of “Peculiar Galaxies” that are misshapen or irregular in appearance.<br /> Findings</p> <p>Arp discovered, by taking photographs through the big telescopes, that many pairs of quasars (“quasi-stellar objects”) which have extremely high redshift z values (and are therefore thought to be receding from us very rapidly – and thus must be located at a great distance from us) are physically associated with galaxies that have low redshift and are known to be relatively close by. Arp has photographs of many pairs of high redshift quasars that are symmetrically located on either side of what he suggests are their parent, low redshift galaxies. These pairings occur much more often than the probabilities of random placement would allow. Mainstream astrophysicists try to explain away Arp’s observations of connected galaxies and quasars as being “illusions” or “coincidences of apparent location”. But, the large number of physically associated quasars and low red shift galaxies that he has photographed and cataloged defies that evasion. It simply happens too often.</p> <p>Because of Arp’s photos, the assumption that high red shift objects have to be very far away – on which the “Big Bang” theory and all of “accepted cosmology” is based – is proven to be wrong! The Big Bang theory is therefore being seriously questioned.<br /> References</p> <p><a href="http://haltonarp.com">More</a> . </p>
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Truth Seeker 133@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p>List of qoutations from Puranas on Diety worship.</p> <p><strong>Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 11.3.52-53</strong></p> <p>sāńgopāńgāḿ sa-pārṣadāḿ</p> <p>tāḿ tāḿ mūrtiḿ sva-mantrataḥ</p> <p>pādyārghyācamanīyādyaiḥ</p> <p>snāna-vāso-vibhūṣaṇaiḥ</p> <p>gandha-mālyākṣata-sragbhir</p> <p>dhūpa-dīpopahārakaiḥ</p> <p>sāńgam sampūjya vidhivat</p> <p>stavaiḥ stutvā named dharim</p> <p>One should worship the Deity along with each of the limbs of His transcendental body, His weapons such as the Sudarśana cakra, His other bodily features and His personal associates. One should worship each of these transcendental aspects of the Lord by its own mantra and with offerings of water to wash the feet, scented water, water to wash the mouth, water for bathing, fine clothing and ornaments, fragrant oils, valuable necklaces, unbroken barleycorns, flower garlands, incense and lamps. Having thus completed the worship in all its aspects in accordance with the prescribed regulations, one should then honor the Deity of Lord Hari with prayers and offer obeisances to Him by bowing down.<br /> <strong>Padma Purana</strong><br /> arcye visnau sila-dhir gurusu nara-matir vaisnave jati-buddhih sri-visnor namni sabda-samanya-buddhih,<br /> “One should not consider the Deity of the Lord as worshiped in the temple to be an idol, nor should one consider the authorized spiritual master an ordinary man. Nor should one consider a pure Vaisnava to belong to a particular caste, etc.” (Padma Purana) </p>
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Truth Seeker 131@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p><img src="http://worldsikhnews.com/4%20March%202009/Image/Kashmir.jpg"><br /> Kashmir is the Defining Issue of Indian Identity by Dr. Subramanian Swamy.</p> <p>[Lecture on July 9, 2008 to Indian students and Americans scholars at MIT, USA]<br /> I believe that the Kashmir “issue” can no more be solved by dialogue either with the Pakistanis or the Hurriyat. This is because the Pakistan army has now a majority of captains and colonels owing allegiance to the Taliban. In another five years, they will reach, by promotions, the corp commander level. We know that the government in Pakistan is controlled by the seven corp commanders of the army. Therefore a Taliban government in Pakistan is inevitable and a jehad against India the logical consequence of the same. In turn the Hurriyat is an organization that cannot go against Pakistan. Hence India has about five years to prepare for a decisive and defining war with Pakistan and we must prepare to win it. We therefore have to throw out of office in the coming elections all those Indian politicians who crave or preen themselves on being popular in Pakistan by sounding reasonable and secular as also equivocating on every issue. For the survival of the ancient civilization of India we have to win that inevitable war and recover the whole of Kashmir.<br /> I will not blame the jehadis for the coming war. They are after all programmed that way by Islamic theology. I will blame ourselves for not understanding the fundamentals of Islam as propounded in the Sira and the Hadith. It teaches that if Muslims are in a majority, they must rule [Darul Islam], and then everyone else is a dhimmi and a kafir who do not have equal rights of worship. Thus in Saudi Arabia, you cannot even display a picture of a Hindu god inside your own home ! When Muslims are in a hopeless minority, then Sira and Hadith urges Muslims to make a deal with the majority and make no demands[Darul Ahad]. In US and Australia for example, Muslims will therefore never ask for separate shariat personal law. If Muslims are not hopelessly in a minority, then Islam directs that true Muslims conduct subversions and act against all human values to leverage their position[Darul Harab] to become of defining influence in the polity and ultimately rulers. We saw this in Kashmir recently when the government was made to cave in on the most humane gesture of allotting land to make Hindu pilgrims feel comfortable while on arduous journey to Amarnath caves.And we have it on the authority of the Chief Minister of the state that the agitation against the allotment was financed by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.<br /> It is foolish therefore in the face of this reality to expound the banal sentiment that “all Muslims are not terrorists or fanatics”. Of course that is true. Or that Koran is a message of peace. May be it is. However, the Islam of the cutting edge of Muslim thought propounded by leaders such as Osama Bin Laden is in Sira and Hadith, which calls on the faithful to wage war against the infidels who cannot strike back effectively and crush them.<br /> The struggle for Kashmir by the jehadis thus is not just for independence. They instead want a Darul Islam there and for the state to become a part of the Caliphate. Hindus are a special target because despite Iran, Iraq, Egypt and other countries becoming 100 percent Muslims after less than two decades of conquest and brutalization, India after a thousand years of massacres, mayhem and rape remained dominantly Hindu. This is a living affront for the fundamentalist Muslim, and in their seminaries and madrassas in Iran and Saudi Arabia, they even today debate and agonize over it.<br /> Contrary to the British imperialist propaganda, Hindus did not just lie down and be conquered by foreign invaders. Hindu fighting spirit had never dimmed even if weakened by traitors within. Periodically Hindus rose in revolt symbolized by the Vijayanagaram empire[which lasted 300 years] or in Shivaji’s bravery, or Guru Gobind Singh’s campaigns or the Mahratta national onslaught.<br /> Most of us thus remained Hindus, defiant, even if in poverty and misery singing Vande Mataram. This the true history of India which the fundamentalist Muslim and the British imperialist historians cannot bear to acknowledge.<br /> Accommodation and compromise with Islamic terrorists is self-defeating and suicide. We have instead to fight back, for which Kashmir is the starting point. Hindu renaissance, long overdue, will be nurtured if we look for an opportunity to seize back the occupied areas of Kashmir, and make the jehadis feel that in India there can only be Darul Ahad for Muslims. We had opportunities earlier to demonstrate that: e.g.,in 1948, 1971, 1999, and 2001. But we let it go.<br /> Hence, let there be no more intellectual confusion about the identity of India as a Hindu Rashtra, which means a land of Hindus and those others who acknowledge proudly that their ancestors are Hindus. If Muslims acknowledge this truth, then they are welcome as a part of our family. And those who do not so acknowledge cannot be equal citizens in India. Hence, we shall not agree to any more truncation of Indian territory.<br /> We have to therefore disown UN Resolutions and India-Pakistan treaties such as signed in Simla]1972] as unauthorized Nehruvian policy blunders. The legality of the Instrument of Accession signed in favour of India by the then Maharaja of J&amp;K on October 26, 1947 has to prevail. Otherwise it will create a plethora of legal issues including what will become the status of the Maharaja if we abrogate this Instrument. Will Dr. Karan Singh, the son of Maharaja Hari Singh, have then a claim to be regarded again as an independent and sovereign King of J&amp;K ? In the Junagadh issue, Pakistan had held the Instrument once signed is “final, irrevocable, and not requiring the wishes of the people to be ascertained”. That is the correct position. But the Junagadh Nawab after signing the Instrument in favour of Pakistan, invaded the neighbouring princely states, states which had acceded to India. So when the Indian Army was moved by Patel to defend these areas, the Nawab ran away to Pakistan. His subjects were mostly Hindu who then welcomed the Indian army.<br /> Furthermore, on what legal basis can we de novo seek to ascertain the wishes of the people of J&amp;K when the Indian Independence Act[1947] passed by the British Parliament makes no provision for the same ? After all it was this same Act which created a legal entity called Pakistan, carved out from the united India. India under the Act was a settled and continuing entity out which the British Parliament made a new entity called Pakistan. Never in previous history there was ever a country called Pakistan. The concept itself was formulated only in 1947.<br /> By what mechanism can then Pakistan today seek to amend or even de-recognise the Act without unwittingly undermining the legal status of Pakistan itself? That is, if the Instrument of Accession is called into question, will not Partition itself be subject to challenge as without legal basis on the same consideration? I raise this question also because in the case of Beruberi in Eastern India, the transfer of that area to Bangla Desh although agreed to, has been enmeshed in prolonged litigation in the Indian Supreme Court because of Article 1 of the Indian Constitution which bars de-merger of any Indian territory after 1950.<br /> Indian army jawans created Bangla Desh out of Pakistan. But despite that, and drunk with their Darul Islam status, the Bengali Muslims have not only driven out the Hindus or butchered them or forcibly converted them but millions of Bengali Muslims have sneaked into India and are happily working with Hindus in India. Partition was agreed to by Hindus only for those Muslims who could not bear to live under Hindu hegemony. And now after getting their territory, they cannot now say that they are happy to live in India with Hindus.<br /> Hence, a virat Hindu Rashtra should tell Bangla Desh to take back their Muslims or hand over one-third of Bangla Desh territory as compensation. If they do not agree, then we must send two divisions of Indian army from Sylhet to Khulna and annex one third of north Bangla Desh as our due for bearing the economic and political burden of Bangla Deshis in our country. This will make our access to Assam and Northeast much easier too.But most of all it will send a powerful and salutary signal to Pakistani terrorists: that Hindus will no more be passive.<br /> These actions are possible if we gear up diplomatically for it. Today the world is sick of the terrorism and the greed of Muslims nations to make money out the sale of oil which they have got by sheer accident of geology. Hence, we must make strong allies. Israel is one such country. We must find ways to make China see our interests. It can be done if we know how to come to an understanding with them. This is essential for isolating Pakistan. At present China has begun to see the tinder box that Pakistan has become. Uighurs from Xinjiang have been to madrassas of Pakistan for training in subversion in Urumuchi and to sabotage the Beijing Olympics This worries China. It should concern us too.<br /> Hence to lay the foundation for the liberation of Kashmir, we must have President’s Rule for some time. India should refuse to engage in any dialogue on Kashmir in which the other side does not accept the whole of Kashmir as an integral and inalienable part of India. The people of Kashmir should be left in no doubt in their minds where the citizens of Hindu Rashtra stand on the future of the state: that it lies with us. Every Hindu has a claim on Kashmir. I for one claim it because my gotra is Kashyapa. It was rshi Kashyapa who invented Kashmir out the Dal lake. Hence my claim. We should undo the “cleansing” of the state of Kashmiri Hindu Pandits by sending 1 million ex-servicemen and families into the Kashmir valley for re-settlement. Article 370 of the Constitution will have to be removed for that purpose, but according to the Constitution itself, it is supposed to be a “temporary provision” not requiring a Parliamentary two-thirds majority for amendment. It can be erased by a Presidential Notification on the recommendation of the Union Cabinet.<br /> Then we await a war. We do not have to go to war with Pakistan on Kashmir because a Talibanised Pakistan will provide us with the opportunity. What I am advocating here is that we prepare mentally and militarily for that eventuality, and having been provided that opportunity, go for the jackpot– to use an American slang. </p>
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Truth Seeker 130@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p><img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_i4duEbBL6fk/Sh1X16CyLJI/AAAAAAAAABY/S66V3JW_Obw/S1600-R/05.01.25.SecularFace-X.gif"><br /> Truth behind Kandhamal – by Gurumurthy</p> <p>Contrary to what Indians here and Christians elsewhere have been told by evangelical missionaries, media and seculars, the Kandhamal arson is not, as it has been concocted, a clash between Hindu and Christian faithfuls at all.The truth is that it is a continuation of the clashes that had started in early 1990s between the ‘Kandha” tribe, which did not convert to Christianity, and ‘Pana” caste people, most of whom had converted.</p> <p>Religion is the spice added to this mix.</p> <p>Kandhas are a Scheduled Tribe (ST) and ‘Panas” are a Scheduled Caste (SC). Both are entitled to reservation benefits under the Constitution, yet, with a difference. While ST reservation will continue even if the beneficiary becomes a Christian, the SC reservation will cease on conversion. When the Panas became Christians they lost their reservation rights. But under the influence of the missionaries and secular parties, and claiming to speak the same language ‘Kui” as Kandhas, they agitated for ST status. So that, despite becoming Christians, their reservation rights would continue if they got listed as ST. But the Kandhas, who saw that their share of reservation would be cut into if the Pana demand were conceded began resisting it. Reservation is a cause of the Khand-Pana divide, but not the only cause; dispute over land is another.</p> <p>The Kandhas were the traditional rulers of Kandhamal and that is the reason the district bears their name. The lands at Kandhamal belonged to them by the traditional rights that go with the tribes. It was their misfortune that the Kandhas chose to remain true to their traditional faith and resisted conversion to Christianity. The Panas were fortunate as most of them became Christians accepting the allurements offered by over 360 evangelical outfits operating in Kandhamal and harvesting souls for the ‘Only True Faith” and ‘God” and, in the process, raking in millions and millions of dollars from global funds for the noble harvest.</p> <p>Besides the perks that conversion yielded, the Panas, as Christian minorities, have the protection of the state, patronage of the media and secular parties, and above all, the powerful support of the Christian nations all over the world. The Kandhas,whose only fault was that they did not convert, have none of these. So they suffer all the limitations of the majority community under the skewed Indian Constitution that clubs the Hindus in Mumbai with the Kandhas in Khandmal! With such powerful secular forces ranged against them, the Kandhas are being further cornered in two ways. One, the Panas who have become relatively better off have gradually taken over much of the lands of the Kandhas, by commerce and fraud, as the Kandhas see it. Two, on top of it, the Panas are also claiming the ST status to grab a share of the reservation from the Kandhas, and thanks to the secular parties” support, seem to be nearly getting it. In substance thus, it is a Kandha vs Pana war over land rights and reservation. Surprisingly, in the face of the ‘itch of his colleagues” to paste Hindu-Christian label on Kandhamal, Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil saw the truth and ‘refused to treat” the ongoing clashes ‘as communal’! But, more surprisingly, only one newspaper, a financial daily, reported his view while others blacked it out.</p> <p>This is not the first time that the Kandhas and the Panas are at war. In 1992, the war between them lasted for three months, resulting in over 20 deaths. The issue was then, as it is now, land and reservation, which was the very consequence of conversion of the Panas to Christianity. The Panas got financial and political advantage and also gained lands belonging to the Kandhas.</p> <p>Though they lost their reservation benefits in the bargain, they began reclaiming them through their demand for ST status. It needs no seer to say that it is religious conversions that sequenced into hostilities between the Kandhas disadvantaged as Hindu majority and the Panas protected as Christian minority.</p> <p>No major clash between the Kandhas and the Panas was reported before the missionaries entered Kandhamal. The Christian population in Kandhamal which was some two per cent in 1961 and six per cent in 1971, rose to 27 per cent in 2001.These numbers speak volumes. Yet, now the missionaries, media and the seculars shout from house tops that only after VHP and Bajrang Dal have entered the scene, there are clashes and the minorities are being butchered.</p> <p>In 1992, there was no VHP worth the name in Orissa; and the Bajrang Dal was not yet born. Yet bloody clashes did occur in Kandhamal between the Kandhas and the Panas.</p> <p>This points to the one and only fact — that it is not the VHP or the Bajrang Dal, but the entry of global evangelism aided by unlimited global funds for harvesting the Panas to Christianity that turned the Kandhas and the Panas hostile to each other and led to clashes. Now the resistance of Hindu outfits is faulted. But what about the cause — the global evangelical conversions powered by huge global funds? Why is the entire secular establishment deafeningly silent? And where does Swami Laksmananda fit into this theatre of Kandhas and Panas, evangelists and the seculars and why was he murdered? A Vedanta scholar, his only fault was that, when the establishment had let down particularly the Kandhas, who refused to convert, he stood by them. He ran schools, colleges, satsangs and discourses which became a great hit with the Kandhas and also the Panas who refused to convert.</p> <p>He became the biggest roadblock to the missionaries.</p> <p>He was targeted by the evangelists for a long time. In December 2007, an attempt was made on him in the village of a Congress MP and a Christian convert.Again, some 24 hours before he was murdered, the Swami got a letter threatening that he would be done away with if he did not close down his work against conversion in Kandhamal.</p> <p>He personally lodged that letter as FIR with the police. Yet, the Swami, along with four of his disciples,was done away with the very next evening. The Kandhas reacted violently when their best hope, the Swami, was snuffed out. This was the context for the August 2008 clashes which were always waiting to happen between the Kandhas and the Panas. Yet it was no one-sided affair, as made out to be. A secular newspaper has investigated and reported that the Panas responded to Kandhas attack with gun fire and killed four which has alerted the State to the possibility of the emergence of Christian-extremist alliance in Kandhamal.</p> <p>*About the author:*</p> <p>*S Gurumurthy *is a well-known commentator on political and economic issues </p>
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Anonymous 126@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p>It had been guessed PROBABLY by Prophet Mohammaed(peace be upon him)that there would be 73 sects of Islam in the future and only one sect would go to Heaven..........then now there are so many sects like Shia, Suni, Wahabi, Qadiyani etc. etc. In sunni also there are four sub sects like Hanfi, Hambli, Safai etc.I asked one of my so -called muslam iman friend about this condition of going to heaven then he said that all should try to be only muslaman not to be shia or sunni.........Then I asked him are you shia or sunni (he was sunni).....he said I am a muslalman. then I asked r u ready to offer your prayers in shia's mosque ? he was answerless. I asked him can u believe the belief of shia that Quran reached to Prophet Mohammed by mistake and it should have been gone to Ali? He disagreed . Then I asked him if u want to be only musalman how it is possible because shias do not go to sunnis mosque, sunnis do not go shia mosque.....etc. What should be the common memorendum for all muslims so that all can reach heaven.....what about animals.which sect they should follow...........How can u assure non muslims to go heaven after conversion when u are not sure about yourself? </p>
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Anonymous 125@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p><img src="http://www.indiaplaces.com/img/meenakshi-temple-03.jpg"><br /> by TRS Iyengar<br /> Generally the temples are located in a place where earth's magnetic wave path densely passes through. It can be in the outer skirt of the town/village or city, even in middle of the dwelling place, or on a hilltop. The essence of visiting a temple is considered here. </p> <p>In simple terms, these temples are located strategic to a place where the positive energy is abundantly available from the magnetic wave distributions of north/south pole thrust.</p> <p>Because of its location where high magnetic values are available, the Main Idol is placed in the core center, and also because they place a copper plate written with some Vedic scripts, which is buried, beneath the Main Idol's placement known as "Garbhagriha" or Moolasthan, the copper absorbs the earths magnetic waves and radiates to the surroundings. Thus a person who regularly visiting a temple and taking clockwise rounds of the Main Idol's placement, automatically receive the beamed magnetic values absorbed in his body. This is very slow and a regular visit will make him absorb more energy. What scientifically it is known is positive energy. In addition, the Sanctum sanctorum is completely enclosed on three sides. The effect of all energies is very high in here. The lamp that is lit radiates the heat and light energy. The ringing of the bells and the chanting of prayers gives the sound energy. The fragrance from the flowers, the burning of camphor give out the chemical energy. The effect of all these energies is activated by the positive energy that comes out of the idol. This is in addition to the north/south pole magnetic energy that is absorbed by the copper plate and utensils that are kept in the Moolasthan known as grabagraham. The water is used for the Pooja is mixed with Cardamom, Benzoine, Holy Basil (Tulsi), Clove, etc. are mixed that is known as "Theertham". This water becomes more energized because it receives the positive ness of all these energies combined. When persons go to the temple for the Deepaaraadhana, and when the doors open up, the positive energy gushes out onto the persons who are there. The water that is sprinkled onto the people passes on the energy to all. That is the reason why, men are not allowed to wear shirts to the temple and ladies have to wear more ornaments because it is through these jewels (metal) that positive energy is absorbed in ladies. It is proved that Theertham is a very good blood purifier, as it is highly energized. Hence it is given as prasadam to the devotees</p> <p>Lost energy in a days work is regained this way and one gets being refreshed slightly. The positive energy that is spread out in the entire temple and especially around where the main idol is placed, are simply absorbed in one's body and mind, for those who take a regular clock-wise round circle every day. In addition at the temples they offer holy water about three spoons. This water is mainly a source of magneto therapy kind because usually they place the copper water vessel at the Garbhagriha. It also contains the values of cardamom, clove, saffron, etc to add taste and Tulsi (holy Basil) leaves are put into the water to increase its medicinal value! The clove essence protects one from tooth decay, the saffron &amp; Tulsi leave essence protects one from common cold and cough, cardamom and benzoine known as Pachha Karpuram, acts as a mouth refreshing agents! This way, one's health too is protected, by regularly visiting the Temples. The entire thing just become more energized locally, that the visit and consuming the holy water and the other offerings are worth for the visitor's health and longevity.</p> <p>Apart from the above facts, each and every round taken in the temple is just simply burning fats in human body and in those days people regularly visited temples and never used to get sugar complaints/diabetic! In addition to it the Vedic chanting helps visitors some refreshing feeling in body and mind thus achieving mental peace, which is the ultimate aim of every soul. And in those days, it was quite rare, you'll see persons with Sugar level high in their blood. In fact, the regular round trip to the temple itself protects one from increasing sugar levels. </p>
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Anonymous 119@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p><img src="http://th04.deviantart.net/fs16/300W/f/2007/203/7/0/SubhanAllah_by_EvilArtForm.jpg"><br /> by Mansoor Ali (Manoram Gaura das) for ABTN.<br /> This is a short report on a successful refutation of the erroneous claims of Dr. Zakir Naik through his own religious texts.</p> <p><strong>Introduction to Zakir Naik</strong><br /> Its about a discussion I had with a group of zealous Muslim youth preachers. I was invited by some Islamic preachers in Jamia Millia University Delhi for discussing Hinduism and Islam. The Muslims eventually accepted that Allah had a form and it was unknown to them.</p> <p>Rated by “India Today magazine” as the 3rd most popular religious guru in India, Dr. Zakir Naik(DZN) is known for extolling the moral and spiritual superiority of Islam and lampooning other faiths in general during his public lectures and debates.</p> <p>DZN through his privately owned 24/7 Islamic channel called “PEACE TV” viewed by millions world wide, preaches to the Hindus that “God is not an image” using 3-4 selected verses from the Vedic texts as it conforms to the Islamic belief that Allah is imageless (Though He is not, which is evident from authentic and explicit Islamic texts) resulting in conversion of scores of ignorant Hindus to Islam.</p> <p><strong>A friendly interfaith discussion</strong><br /> I was invited by a group of Muslim students at the Jamia University in Delhi on 7th June 2010 for a friendly discussion on Islam and Hinduism. I was alone and there were 11 Muslim boys along with another Hindu student who was strongly influenced by Islam in their PG hostel. They first began talking of Oneness of God in all religions. Then they showed me the youtube link of ZN's talk</p> <p>In the first 2 minutes Dr. ZN says “of that God there is no pratima, pratima in Sanskrit means Image, painting, sculpture, idol”. He further says “the svetasvatara Upanishad in chapter number 4, verse number 19 says, of that god there is no image, there is no picture, no painting, there is no portrait, no sculpture, there is no statue, there is no idol”. “Same thing in Yajurveda 32:3 “na tasya pratima asti.”</p> <p>After playing this for me, they said “see your very own texts say that God is not an image, then why are you worshiping Idols, it is against Hindu texts”</p> <p>I thanked them for showing me the video and asked them, “Does Allah have a form or not?” Unanimously they said “ NO”, then one of the students named Farooq said “ Allah Shakal se paak, Jism se paak, Jihudd(direction) se paak, Allah har Aib se paak hai” translation ( Allah is free from face, free from body, free from direction and He is free from all these fallacies/impurities) Another Muslim boy said “far exalted is He above what they ascribe unto Him”</p> <p>I was waiting to hear all this and right then I unfurled a set of documented evidence from their MOST AUTHENTIC ISLAMIC texts which showed that Allah has a form, Allah is a shape shifter, Allah will be seen in person like the full Moon can be seen, Allah will uncover His leg (shin) to the inmates of Paradise and Allah has TWO hands as specified by Him in Quran, plus a lot more”</p> <p>I showed them all these quotes to which the Muslim students responded differently. Some were confused and their main leader Faisal Hashmi said</p> <p>“We believe in them without venturing into ta’weel interpretation) or trying to understand its meaning.”<br /> He further said that “the Muslims follow Tafweed (relegation) in such ambiguous attributes of Allah, we don’t reject this and this is the position of the majority of the hadith scholars and predecessors (salaf). We accept it and only Allah knows the modality (kaifiyyah)of it”</p> <p>It is important to know that even Dr. Zakir Naik follows the same school of thought which accepts everything literally without giving interpretation and relegates its actual meaning to Allah alone.</p> <p>I quoted them this part from their Sahi Hadith from Sahih Bukhari: ‘Then the Almighty will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, 'I am your Lord,' and they will say, 'You are not our Lord.' And none will speak: to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, 'Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?'They will say. 'The Shin,' and so Allah will then uncover His Shin. A brother from amongst them said</p> <p>“The answer is very simple. The Quran speaks of the hereafter as being another kind of universe perating with different laws.”</p> <p>I replied that “I agree that there are different laws governing the Spiritual universe. But THE PERSON OF GOD WILL REMAIN THE SAME. Those laws will not affect the person of God and His attributes.”</p> <p>Upon hearing this they started arguing amongst themselves, confused over these ambiguous narrations in their texts. Finally their leader Faisal Hashmi said: “We accept what the hadiths say as it is and we believe that Allah will display His form to us in Paradise, but we do not know the form and will see it only in the hereafter, even if He has a form it is not necessary to worship it as it is unknown”</p> <p><strong>Muslims accept form of Allah</strong><br /> I thanked him for answering my question and asked If Quran and Hadith so explicitly talk of Allah’s shape, form, leg, palm, fingers and hands and you acknowledge that His form will be seen on the day of judgment then how on earth Dr. Zakir Naik is saying that God is imageless? I said this was gross<br /> denial of the fact of Allah’s shape mentioned in your most authentic texts. DZN contradicts his own books and texts which may lead him astray. I said that it is absolutely evasive to say that “we don’t know the modality, and don’t get into the interpretation, and relegate it to Allah”. This is not an answer to any question. I further told them that the Vedic texts describe every minute detail of God’s form and so hindus worship Him in accordance to those divine descriptions”</p> <p>Finally they said they will get back to me and would like to meet me again sometime soon.</p> <p>I said I would look forward to it. I explained to them the sloka from Isopanisad “ Om Purnam adah purnam idam…” explaining that the Complete Whole is not formless. If He were formless, or if He were less than His creation in any other way, He could not be complete. The Complete Whole must contain everything both within and beyond our experience; otherwise He cannot be complete.</p> <p><strong>More Articles</strong><br /> 1.<a href="http://absolutetruth.in/2010/05/an-interfaith-dialogue-with-islam/">Interfaith dialogue on Islam and Hinduism</a><br /> 2.<a href="http://absolutetruth.in/wiki/Islam_and_Vedas">Islam and Vedas</a> </p>
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Truth Seeker 118@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p><img src="http://www.shotaddict.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/srirangam-temple-gopuram.jpg"><br /> <strong>In Agnipurana</strong>, Agni said: I will now describe the fruits of making temples for the residence of Vasudeva. He who attempts to erect temples for Vishnu is freed from the sins of a thousand births. Those who approve of a man's building a temple for Krishna go to the region of Acyuta [Vishnu] freed from sins.</p> <p>Having desired to build a temple for Hari, a man immediately takes a million of his generations, past and future, to the region of Vishnu. The departed manes of the person who builds a temple for Krishna live in the region of Vishnu, well adorned and freed from the sufferings of hell. The construction of a temple for a deity dissipates even the sin of Brahmanicide. By building a temple one reaps the fruit which he does not even gain by celebrating a sacrifice. By building a temple one acquires the fruits of bathing at all the sacred shrines.</p> <p>The construction of a temple, which gives heaven, by a religious or an irreligious man, yields the fruit reaped by persons slain in a battle undertaken on behalf of the celestial. By making one temple one goes to heaven; by making three one goes to the region of Brahma; by making five one goes to the region of Shambhu; by making eight one goes to the region of Hari. By making sixteen one attains all objects of enjoyment and emancipation. A poor man, by building the smallest temple, reaps the same benefit which a rich man does by building the biggest temple for Vishnu. Having acquired wealth and built a temple with a small portion of it, a person acquires piety and gains favours from Hari.</p> <p>By making a temple with a lakh of gold coins, or a thousand, or a hundred, or fifty, a man goes where the Garuda-embalmed deity resides. He who in his childhood even sportively makes a temple of Vasudeva with sand, goes to his region. He who builds temples of Vishnu at sacred places, shrines, and hermitages, reaps three-fold fruits. Those who decorate the temple of Vishnu with scents, flowers, and sacred mud, go to the city of the Lord. Having erected a temple for Hari, a man, either fallen, about to fall, or half-fallen, reaps twofold fruits. He who brings about the fall of a man is the protector of one fallen. By making a temple for Vishnu one attains to his region. As long as the collection of bricks of Hari's temple exists, the founder of his family lives gloriously in the region of Vishnu. He becomes pious and adorable both in this world and in the next.</p> <p>He who builds a temple for Krishna, the son of Vasudeva, is born as a man of good deeds and his family is purified. He who builds temples for Vishnu, Rudra, the sun-god, and other deities, acquires fame. What is the use to him of wealth which is hoarded by ignorant men? Useless is the acquisition of riches to one who does not have a temple built with hard earned money for Krishna, or whose wealth is not enjoyed by the Pitris, brahmanas, celestials, and friends.</p> <p>As death is certain for men, so is his destruction. The man who does not spend his money for charities and keeps it hoarded is stupid and is fettered even when alive. What is the merit of him who, obtaining riches either by an accident or manliness, does not spend it for a glorious work for dharma? Therefore, a wise man should have temples built for Vishnu. Having entered the region of Hari, he acquires reverential faith in Narottama [Vishnu]. He pervades all the three worlds containing the mobile and the immobile, the past, future, and present, gross, subtle, and all inferior objects. From Brahma to a pillar everything has originated from Vishnu. Having obtained entrance into the region of the Great Soul, Vishnu, the omnipresent god of gods, a man is not born again on earth.</p> <p>By building a golden temple one is freed from all sins. He who has built a temple for Vishnu reaps the great fruit which one gains by celebrating sacrifices every day. By building a temple for the Lord he takes his family, a hundred generations past and a hundred to come, to the region of Acyuta.</p> <p>Vishnu is identical with the seven worlds. He who builds a temple for him saves the endless worlds and himself attains immortality. As long as the bricks will last, the maker [of the temple] will live for so many thousands of years in heaven. The maker of the idol attains the region of Vishnu and he who consecrates the installation of the same is immersed in Hari. The person who builds a temple and an image, as well as he who consecrates them, come before him.</p> <p>This rite of pratishtha [installation] of Hari was related by Yama. For creating temples and images of the deities, Hayashirsha described it to Brahma.</p> <p>More on <a href="http://absolutetruth.in/2010/03/idol-worship-and-deity-worship/">worshiping Lord Vishnu in the temple</a>.</p> <p><strong>Tirumangai Alvar</strong><br /> This picture is the gopuram of Srirangam temple built by Saint Tirumangai Alvar in 3000 B.C. It is also interesting to note that he built this temple by robbing and waylaying wealthy miserly merchants who would otherwise not give money for sucha a noble cause. Of course no one should imitate such great saints but it illustrates the principle of yukta vairagya that anything and everthing should be used for the service of Lord Vishnu. </p>
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Anonymous 117@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p><img src="http://www.kashmir-information.com/militants2.jpg"><br /> Compiled by <a href="http://stephen-knapp.com">Stephen Knapp</a></p> <p>We all know that most Muslims are not terrorists, nor do they want to quarrel with others. The majority of them simply want to worship God in their way and live a peaceful life. So why does there seem to be friction and difficulties that often involve Muslims? And why are there so many terrorists in the world who, indeed, call themselves followers of Islam? Where do we find the seeds of their motivation?</p> <p>As we uncover these verses in the Koran to see what it really says, bare in mind that these are not mistranslations into English as some people will suggest. All these verses are derived from "The Holy Qur'an: Text, Translation and Commentary" by 'Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali, published by Amana Corporation, Brentwood, Maryland, USA, in cooperation with the International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT). So this edition of the Koran is approved and sanctioned by this Muslim organization. So there should be no argument that these verses mean something other than what they say as follows.</p> <p><strong>The Koranic References for the Sword Against Non-Muslims</strong><br /> Does the Koran itself give credence to strike against kafirs and infidels, those who are non-Muslims, or to conduct a holy war to protect and expand the faith? When we study the Koran, particular verses of it certainly seem to provide such viewpoints.</p> <p>The fact is that there are numerous ayats (verses) in the Koran that confirm the ways for Muslims to view and treat non-Muslims. For example: "O Prophet! Rouse the believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding." (Surah 8:65) "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): 'I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them." (Surah 8:12) "Truly Allah loves those who fight in His cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure." (Surah 61:4) These verses certainly seem to give a harsh view of non-Muslims in the way it prescribes treatment of them.</p> <p>When it comes to the attitude that the Koran displays for those who are not Muslims, the verses make it clear what is to be done. This is not merely in a few sparse verses, as if we are misunderstanding what is being said, but in several. For example, in the following verses, perpetual war and divisiveness for the destruction of non-Muslims and their religion is recommended until the whole world becomes converted to Islam. "Say to the unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; But if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevails justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; But if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do." (8.38-39)</p> <p>Furthermore, if the Koran specifically relates a harsh view toward infidels, non-Muslims, then that would make it even easier for militant Muslims to feel there is little harm in ill-treating or even killing those who are participants of other religions. In this regard we find the following verses in the Koran:</p> <p>"Verily ye (unbelievers), and the (false) gods that ye worship besides Allah, are (but) fuel for Hell! To it will ye (surely) come!" (Surah 21:98) "(The sentence will be:) Throw, throw into Hell every contumacious Rejector (of Allah)!; Who forbade what was good, transgressed all bounds, cast doubts and suspicions; who set up another god beside Allah: throw him into a severe penalty." (Surah 50:24) "Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks [cut off their heads]; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); But (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others, but those who are slain in the way of Allah [for the cause of Allah]--He will never let their deeds be lost. Soon He will guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden which He has announced for them." (Surah 47:4-6) "Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst creatures. Those who have faith and do righteous deeds--they are the best of creatures." (Surah 98:6 and 7) This last verse seems to refer directly to the Jews (People of the Book) and Hindus (polytheists) as future residents of hell.</p> <p>These verses seem to give justification to expanding the faith not necessarily with spiritual knowledge, or understanding and purity, but by what would be military strength under the Will of Allah. In light of recent discussions about what is or is not Islamic Jihad, referring to the holy war of Muslims overcoming evil, does this mean that there also should be war or the use of terror against non-Muslims? Are non-Muslims viewed as evil within the verses of the Koran? The following verses (Surah 9:5,6) sheds light on the Prophet's idea of what really is Jihad, and whether it includes war against the infidels: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in ever stratagem (of war); But if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, most merciful." So this would indicate that the Koran's version of the "Mercy of God" offers unbelievers the "choice" to convert to Islam or die.</p> <p>Even though the words of the Koran were written many years ago, and pertained to a different set of circumstances, they are still applied today with the same seriousness by many. When the Koran mentions that Muslims should "fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in ever stratagem (of war)," the idea seems to indicate the means to make the enemy live in a state of perpetual terror. Since Islam is also called "din-e-Ghalib," which means the religion of dominance by God's will, Muslim minorities in non-Islamic countries may feel that they can do everything possible to harass and harangue the host countries to practice their faith or culture, or to allow Muslims to have special privileges based on following their faith over and above abiding by the local national laws. The basis for this concept could also be justified within the Koran (Surah Anfal, 8:59-60) where it says: "Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly). They will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know." This seems to be saying that even if others die in the process, "whom ye may not know," Allah will judge whether they are believers or pagans--those who have accepted Gods other than Allah. And then the soldiers of Allah are assured that they will be properly recognized for whatever sacrifice they make to Him, as stated here in the remainder of the verse: "Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly."</p> <p>It is also said: "O ye who believe! Fight the Unbelievers who gird you about and let them find firmness [hardness] in you; and know that Allah is with those who fear Him." (Surah 9.123) "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among The People of the Book [the Jews], until they pay the Jizyah, and feel themselves subdued." (Surah 9.29) The Jizyah means to pay tribute or compensation, or the tax that was levied against those who did not accept Islam.</p> <p>So, it would seem that on the basis of the above verses, infidels and all non-Muslims may actually be fit to be subdued, crushed, or even exterminated, and that it could even be considered a favor to Allah to rid the world of them. After all, they are believed to be going to hell anyway. Furthermore, these verses also show that those who die for Allah or the cause of Islam will be recognized and even delivered to the garden of paradise. With the basis of verses like these, it is no wonder that it is not difficult to arouse young Muslims for the Islamic cause in the training camps of Al-Qaida, Taliban, and other militant and fundamentalist groups. It is inestimable how much bloodshed has already been shed throughout history because of this teaching. So it should not be surprising that the radical Islamic leader Abdullah Shah Mazhar recently got 5,000 volunteers to take the "oath of death" and commit themselves to suicide squads in attacks against the U.S. and other "infidel forces". The fact is that many Muslims feel that one day Islam will dominate the world, and there are those who are specifically working to bring that about as soon as possible, and sometimes in whatever way they feel works best.</p> <p>However, this is not new. Swami Vivekananda in a lecture in California in January of 1900 said regarding this aspect of Islam: "Every step forward was made with the sword--the Quran in one hand and the sword in the other: Take the Quran, or you must die; there is no alternative!"</p> <p>Mahatma Gandhi also spoke about this aspect of Islam. After the assassination of Swami Shraddhanand by a Muslim fanatic in December, 1926, he said: "Mussalmans have an ordeal to pass through. There can be no doubt that they are too free with the knife and the pistol. The sword is no emblem of Islam. But Islam was born in an environment where the sword was, and still remains, the supreme law. The message of Jesus has proved ineffective because the environment was unready to receive it. So with the message of the Prophet. The sword is yet too much in evidence among the Mussalmans. It must be sheathed if Islam is to be what it means--peace."<br /> Allah's Call For War, or Else<br /> In the mood for achieving dominance, as we have seen, many Islamic terrorists are ready to give up their lives for the cause. They engage in suicide attacks wherein it is part of the plan that they will give up their lives, often believing that by doing so they automatically go to heaven. So does the Koran justify this idea as well? In this respect we find the following verses:</p> <p>"Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord." (Surah 3:169) "O ye who believe! What is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth in the Cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter." (Surah 9:38) So, herein we find the Koran practically encouraging the anticipation for reaching the next life, even if it means giving up your own for "the Cause of Allah."</p> <p>The odd thing is that the Koran advocates war against non-believers, at least according to the verses that have been listed herein, and now it also advocates punishment for those believers (Muslims) that do not fight against those unbelievers when they are called to do so. And those that do take up war will be rewarded into the Garden. The verse that clarifies this reads as such: "Say to the desert Arabs who lagged behind: 'Ye shall be summoned (to fight) against a people given to vehement war: then shall ye fight, or they shall submit. Then if ye show obedience, Allah will grant you a goodly reward, but if ye turn back as ye did before, He will punish you with a grievous penalty. No blame is there on the blind, nor is there blame on one ill (if he joins not the war): But he that obeys Allah and His Messenger--(Allah) will admit him to Gardens beneath which rivers flow; And he who turns back (Allah) will punish him with a grievous penalty." (48:16-17)</p> <p>"O ye who believe! When ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day--unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)--he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell--an evil refuge (indeed)!" (8:15-16)<br /> Kill the Unbelievers<br /> The Koran goes on to order: "And slay them wherever ye catch them and turn them out from where they have turned you out; For tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith." (2:191) Let us point out that to "suppress faith" in this case means not only curbing Islam but to advocate faith in God by any other path.</p> <p>"And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail Justice and faith in Allah; But if they cease, let here be no hostility except to those who practice oppression." 2:193)</p> <p>"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposites sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter." (5:33)</p> <p>"Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers." (9:14)</p> <p>"O ye who believe! Truly the pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque." (9:28)</p> <p>"O Prophet! Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed." (9:73)</p> <p>"(Disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the Path of Allah: for him there is disgrace in this life, and on the Day of Judgement We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire)." (22.9)</p> <p> "So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavor." (25:52)</p> <p>"And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared for those who reject Allah a blazing Fire!" (48:13)</p> <p> "'Bring yet up', it shall be said, 'The wrong-doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped--Besides Allah, and lead them to the Way to the (Fierce) Fire!" (37:22-23)<br /> The Rewards and Punishments in the Koran<br /> What makes the idea of who is saved and who is worthy of hell more clear is that there are specific rewards given by Allah for the believers and punishments for the non-believers that are related in the Koran. Some of these are as follows:</p> <p>"As to the righteous (they will be) in a position of Security. Among gardens and springs. Dressed in fine silk and in rich brocade, they will face each other; Moreover, We shall join them to Companions with big, beautiful and lustrous eyes. There can they call for every kind of fruit in peace and security; Nor will they there taste death, except the first death; and He will preserve them from the Penalty of the Blazing Fire--As a bounty from thy Lord! That will be the supreme achievement! Verily, We have made this (Quran) easy, in thy tongue, in order that they may give heed." (44:43-58)</p> <p>"To Him will be your return--of all of you. The promise of Allah is true and sure. It is He who beginneth the process of creation, and repeateth it, that He may reward with justice those who believe and work righteousness; But those who reject Him will have draughts of boiling fluids, and a penalty grievous because they did reject him." (10:4)</p> <p>"These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord)--For them will be cut out a garment of fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), 'Taste ye the penalty of burning!" (22:19-22)</p> <p>"Unless I proclaim what I receive from Allah and His Messages: For any that disobey Allah and His Messenger--for them is hell: they shall dwell therein forever." (72.23)</p> <p>"And to those who believe not in the Hereafter, (it announceth) that We have prepared for them a Penalty grievous (indeed)." (17:10)</p> <p>"For the Rejectors We have prepared chains, yokes, and a blazing fire. As to the righteous, they shall drink of a cup (of wine) mixed with Kafur. A fountain where the devotees of Allah do drink, making it flow in unstinted abundance." (Surah 76: 4-6) "Verily the [judgement] day of sorting out is a thing appointed. The day that the trumpet shall be sounded, and ye shall come forth in crowds; and the heavens shall be opened as if there were doors, and the mountains shall vanish, as if they were a mirage. Truly Hell is a place of ambush--for the transgressors a place of destination: They will dwell therein for ages. Nothing cool shall they taste therein, nor any drink, save a boiling fluid and a fluid, dark, murky, intensely cold--a fitting recompense (for them)." (Surah 78:17-26) "As to those who reject faith I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone for help." (Surah 3.56) "Verily Allah has cursed the Unbelievers and prepared for them a blazing fire--to dwell therein forever: No protection will they find, nor helper." (Surah 33.64-65) "And when there comes to them A Book from Allah, confirming what is with them--although from of old they had prayed for victory against those without faith--when there comes to them that which they (should) have recognized. They refuse to believe in it but the curse of Allah is on those without faith." (Surah 2.89)</p> <p>"Those who reject (Truth) among the People of the Book and among the polytheists, were not going to depart (from their ways) until there should come to them clear evidence. . . Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the polytheists, will be in Hellfire, to dwell therein (for aye), they are the worst of creatures. [But] those who have faith and do righteous deeds--they are the best of creatures. Their reward is with Allah: Gardens of Eternity, beneath which rivers flow, they will dwell therein forever; Allah well pleased with them, and they with Him: all this for such as fear their Lord and cherisher." (Surah 98:1, 6-8) "Allah will deliver them from the evil of that day, and will shed over them a light of beauty and a (blissful) joy. And because they were patient and constant, He will reward them with a garden and (garments of) silk. Reclining in the (garden) of raised thrones, they will see there neither the sun's (excessive heat) nor (the moon's) excessive cold. And the shades of the (garden) will come low over them, and the bunches (of fruit), there will hang low in humility. And among them will be passed round vessels of silver and goblets of crystal." (Surah 76:11-15)</p> <p><strong>Allah Guides Those to Heaven or Hell as He Likes</strong><br /> The Koran explains in numerous verses that those who reject Allah is sent to hell by Him. However, in several verses it is described how Allah will guide those He wants in order that they go the proper way, and will leave astray those He chooses, who are then left to go to hell. So how can there be blame by Allah for those who become unbelievers (non-Muslims) if Allah Himself decides not to guide one properly? The verses read as follows: "Of them there are some who (pretend to) listen to thee; but We have thrown Veils on their hearts, so they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; If they saw every one of the Signs, they will not believe in them; in so much that when they come to thee; the unbelievers say; 'These are nothing but tales of the ancients.'" (6:25)</p> <p>To make this more clear, this next verse also explains how this takes place: "We (too) shall turn to (confusion) their hearts and their eyes, even as they refused to believe in this in the first instance: We shall leave them in their trespasses, to wander in distraction." (6:110)</p> <p>"When thou dost recite the Quran, We put between thee and those who believe not in the hereafter, a veil invisible. And We put coverings over their hearts (and minds) lest they should understand the Quran, and deafness into their ears; when thou dost commemorate thy Lord--and Him alone--in the Quran, they turn on their backs, fleeing (from the Truth). (17:45-46)</p> <p>"We sent not a messenger except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases. And He is exalted in Power, Full of Wisdom." (14.4)</p> <p>"If Allah so willed, He could make you all one people: But He leaves straying whom He pleases, and He guides whom He pleases: but ye shall certainly be called to account for all your actions." (16.93)</p> <p> "Whom Allah doth guide--he is on the right path: Whom He rejects from His guidance--Such are the persons who perish." (7:178) Now what is the reason why Allah rejects one and not the other? And why does He not bring people together as one people if He could, only to leave them in divisions and quarreling with each other? Every other God in any other culture always seems to come with a message in an attempt to unite people and establish peace. Why does Allah not do the same if He is God? This is not clearly answered, but another verse still explains the prerogative that Allah takes on those He has created. "It is he whom Allah guides, that is on true guidance; but he whom He leaves astray--for such wilt thou find no protector besides Him. On the Day of Judgement we shall gather them together, prone on their faces, blind, dumb and deaf: their abode will be Hell: every time it shows abatement, we shall increase for them the fierceness of the Fire." (17:97)</p> <p><strong>Hypocrites Do Not Reach Allah</strong><br /> We also find that the Koran states that even Muslims who do not properly remember Allah are but hypocrites. And they do not reach Allah. "The hypocrites--they think they are over-reaching Allah but He will over-reach them: When they stand up to prayer, they stand without earnestness, to be seen of men, but little do they hold Allah in remembrance." (4:142) Thus they may also reach the punishment of hell.<br /> The Punishment of Hell the Destination for all Non-Muslims<br /> The hellish conditions described in the Koran evolve around being cast into hellfire and being forced to drink and be bathed in boiling water. "(They will be) in the midst of a fierce blast of fire and in boiling water, and in the shades of black smoke. Nothing (will there be) to refresh, nor to please." (56:42-44)</p> <p>The Koran makes it clear that all non-Muslims, unbelievers, will go to eternal hell. There is no second chance or allowance for any alternative to the Muslim religion in the eyes of the Koran. Yet, the hell that is described is not merely suffering forever, but is the entrance to a hellfire that roasts one's skin eternally. "Those who reject Our Signs, We shall soon cast into the fire; As often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the Penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise." (4:56)</p> <p>"Verily the tree of Zaqqum will be the food of the sinful--like molten brass; It will boil in their insides, like the boiling of scalding water. A voice will cry: "Seize ye him and drag him into the midst of the Blazing Fire! Then pour over his head the Penalty of Boiling Water. Taste thou (this)! Truly wast thou mighty, full of honour! Truly this is what ye used to doubt! (44: 43-50)</p> <p><strong>The Koran's Views of Jews and Christians</strong><br /> There are verses in the Koran that describe the Jewish people and the Christians in both favorable and unfavorable terms. In one place it explains that even those of other religions who believe in Allah have nothing to fear. "Those who believe (in the Quran), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians--Any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work in righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." (This verse is found in both 2:62 &amp; 5.69)</p> <p>However, the Koran goes on to place the Jews in the same category as the pagans as having enmity toward the believers, who are of course the followers of Islam: "Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans." Then the same verse in the Koran goes on to praise the Christians: "And nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, 'We are Christians': Because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognize the truth. They pray: 'Our Lord! We believe; write us down among the witnesses." (5:82-83)</p> <p>Another verse with a similar sentiment is, "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il; Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)." (3.84)</p> <p>So here is another verse which indicates the possible unity or cooperation and respect between Islam and other religions. This begins to sound a little reasonable. It is a rare verse in the Koran that proclaims respect for other religions, and it would be good if Muslims would focus more on such verses. Yet right after this verse we find it said, "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good)." (3.85)</p> <p>We could say that yes, the ultimate religion is surrender to God, and Allah is a name for God, so we may agree with this principle. But in Islam there is only one way to surrender and that is to Allah alone. To surrender to another, or to use or respect any other name for God is a blasphemy in Islam.</p> <p>Furthermore, any cooperation between Christianity and Islam is a fine line because Christians say that Jesus is the son of God. This is a view that the Koran condemns. In the following verses we find that the infidels include those who think that God begot a son, meaning the Christians. "(Those) who say (Allah) Most Gracious [Lord] has begotten a son! Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! As if the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin. That they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious. For it is not constant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son." (Surah 19:88-92) "Further, that He may warn those (also) who say, 'Allah hath begotten a son'; No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. It is a grievous thing that issues from their mouths as a saying. What they say is nothing but falsehood!" (Surah 18:4-5)</p> <p>The Koran also strongly rejects the idea of combining or identifying other Gods with Allah, as related in the following verse. Muslims are often not so liberal as other religions in this regard. In fact, the Koran says that even Jesus recommended that Christians take up the worship of Allah, and that anyone who identifies Allah with any other god will go to the eternal fire: "They do blaspheme who say: 'Allah is Christ the son of Mary.' But said Christ: 'O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.' Whoever joins other Gods with Allah–Allah will forbid him the Garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrongdoers be no one to help." (5.72)</p> <p>Another point to consider is that not only does the Koran not consider Jesus the son of God, but it also offers little more respect to Jesus than one would for a mere messenger. This would not bode well with most Christians, wherein it is stated in the Koran: "Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; Yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!" (5.75)</p> <p>The Koran further elaborates that, "In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: 'Who then has the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother and all–everyone that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things.'" (Surah 5.17)</p> <p>With these views toward the Jews and Christians, the advice that the Koran gives to the Believers, meaning the Muslims, is that they must avoid the friendship of such people or be considered the same as they are, in which case they will lose the favor of Allah. "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust." (Surah 5.51) This leads to additional exclusiveness amongst Muslims and separateness from all others. This has obvious repercussions in creating a deeper lack of respect and lack of cooperation amongst the various religious cultures and sects in the world. And this is exactly the opposite of what the world needs to attain peace amongst all people.<br /> <strong>The Punishment for Losing Faith in Islam</strong><br /> In most religions the right to religious freedom, or to change one's religious affiliation, is taken for granted. However, in Islam all schools of law (madhhahib) agree that any adult male apostate from Islam should be killed. Most Muslim jurists also claim that leaving Islam is a crime which carries the penalty of death as recommended by God. Therefore, while conversion from other religions to Islam is welcomed and actively encouraged, Muslims who leave Islam for any other religion must be sentenced to death (unless they repent and return to Islam).</p> <p>As we shall see, the Koran supplies references which would make it seem that death is a just sentence for one who leaves Islam. However, the hadiths (the traditional sayings and deeds of Muhammad) are much more pronounced in the punishment that must be given to any apostates from Islam. For now we will simply look at how the Koran emphasizes God's severe punishment of any apostate in the next life.</p> <p>One example is in Surah 2:217: ". . . and if any of you turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be Companions of the Fire and will abide therein."</p> <p>Going through the Koran numerically, we next come to Surah 3, verses 86-91: "How shall Allah guide those who reject faith after they accepted it and bore witness that the Messenger was true and that Clear Signs had come unto them? But Allah guides not a people unjust. (86) Of such the reward is that on them (rests) the curse of Allah, of His angels and of all mankind. (87) In that will they dwell; Nor will their penalty be lightened, nor respite be their (lot). (88) Except for those that repent (even) after that and make amends: for verily Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful. (89) But those who reject faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of faith--Never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray. (90) As to those who reject faith and die rejecting--Never would be accepted from any such as much gold as the earth contains, though they should offer it for ransom. For such is (in store) a penalty grievous, and they will find no helpers." (91) Herein it becomes obvious that for one who does not repent and return to Islam, their fate after death cannot be changed even if they offer all the gold of the earth.<br /> The Curse of Allah and Punishment for those who Give Up the Faith (Apostates)<br /> The Koran repeats: "But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs--they shall be companions of hell-fire." (5:86) "Those who reject faith and deny Our signs will be companions of Hell-fire." (5:10) "But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein." (2:39)</p> <p>Not only are they destined for suffering, but Allah is not as merciful as He is proclaimed to be. In this next verse it is declared that even if one gives up Islam and then repents, they will be shown no mercy. "For those who reject faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith--never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray." (3:90)</p> <p>"Those who believe, then reject Faith, then believe (again) and (again) reject Faith, and go on increasing in unbelief--Allah will not forgive them nor guide them on the Way." (4:137)</p> <p>"Anyone who after accepting Faith in Allah, utters Unbelief--Except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith--but such as open their breast to Unbelief--on them is wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful penalty." (16:106)</p> <p>"But those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance--they are companions of the Fire, to dwell therein (forever)." (7:36)</p> <p>"Those who break Allah's Covenant after it is ratified, and who sunder what Allah has ordered to be joined, and do mischief on earth: These cause loss (only) to themselves." (2.27)</p> <p>"Make ye no excuses: ye have rejected Faith after ye had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for that they are in sin." (9:66)</p> <p>"They swear by Allah that they said nothing (evil), but indeed they uttered blasphemy, and they did it after accepting Islam; and they meditated a plot which they were unable to carry out: this revenge of theirs was (their) only return for the bounty with which Allah and His Messenger had enriched them! If they repent, it will be best for them; but if they turn back (to their evil ways), Allah will punish them with a grievous penalty in this life and in the Hereafter: They shall have none on earth to protect or help them." (9:74)</p> <p>"Those who turn back as apostates after Guidance was clearly shown to them, the Evil One has instigated them and busied them up with false hopes. (47:25)<br /> Treatment of Apostates According to the Koran<br /> However, for those Muslims who may find such apostates who have left Islam, how they should be treated is made quite clear. Herein it is said that they should even be taken and killed, as explained in Surah 4: 88-89: "Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way. They but wish that ye should reject the Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): but take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of God (from what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."</p> <p>Even war may be waged against the leaders of those who have left Islam, which is indicated in Surah 9:11-12: "But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity, --they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand. But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith, --fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained." Thus, there are those who accept this as definite proof that the Koran calls for the death penalty on apostates.</p> <p>Even if one merely cannot accept Islam to the full because of the basic human weakness to be attracted to the world, then they are referred to as being destined to perish after death. This is explained in Surah 16:106-107, 109: "Anyone who after accepting faith in Allah utters unbelief except under Compulsion, his heart remaining firm in faith but such as open their Breast to unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah and theirs will be a Dreadful Penalty. (106) This because they love the life of this world better than the Hereafter: and Allah will not guide those who reject faith. (107) Without doubt, in the hereafter they will perish." (109)</p> <p>Finally, we find that if anyone simply turns away from Allah, He will give them the fierce punishment, as found in Surah 88:23-4: "But if any turns away and rejects Allah. Allah will punish him with a mighty Punishment."</p> <p>If we search the hadiths, there seems to be even more references to the way those who leave Islam should be punished by death, even if they are women. The point these verses make is that apostates are meant to face a terrible punishment and there is no clear implication that the fate of apostates is other than eternal damnation. Once they reject or do not accept the faith, their fate is permanent. As previously mentioned, the connotation is that Islam must be accepted or you die, or are eternally damned. This seems to be the ultimate process of controlling people through the use of fear, rather than drawing people to God by the promise of an all-attractive loving relationship with the Supreme Being, which merely needs to be reawakened. Now which of these would you prefer?</p> <p><strong>There is no Freedom of Religion</strong><br /> Ultimately, in the eyes of the Koran and under the dictates of Allah, there is no freedom to pick your own spiritual path. This is clarified in this next example, which says: "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good)." (3:85)</p> <p><strong>The Koranic Views on Women</strong><br /> In the following verse we find that men are given priority in the process of spiritual development. The following verses indicate that the inspiration to understand the message of Allah is given to men more than women. "Nor did We send before thee (as messengers) any but men, whom We did inspire--(men) living in human habitations." (12:109) Also, "And before thee also the messengers We sent were but men, to whom we granted inspiration: if ye realize this not, ask of those who possess the Message."(16:43)</p> <p>Inheritance is also favored toward men. "Allah (thus) directs you as regards your children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females." (4:11-12)</p> <p>Allah's specific directions about marriage are also provided, in which men are highly favored: "Marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice." (4:3)</p> <p>There are also restrictions in what kind of women can be married. "Prohibited to you (for marriage) are--your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, mother's sisters, brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (who gave you suck), foster-sisters; Your wive's mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom you have gone in--No prohibition if ye have not gone in--(those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is oft-giving, Most Merciful--Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess [meaning those who have been taken captive]; Thus hath Allah ordained (prohibition) against you: except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property--desiring chastity, not lust. Seeing that you derive benefit from them, give them Their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if , after a dower is prescribed, ye agree mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise." (4:23-24) Thus, we find prohibitions to marrying one's mother, sister, or daughter, etc. This means that there must have been such things taking place to the extent that there was a need to establish rules against it.<br /> The Basis of Muslim Brotherhood<br /> In the Koran there are several ayats (verses) that dictate the basis of Muslim brotherhood and how they should view one another. For example: "Verily, this Brotherhood of yours is a single brotherhood, and I am your Lord and cherisher. Therefore, serve Me (and no other)." (Surah 21:92) "To each is a goal to which Allah turns him; then strive together (as a race) towards all that is good. Whosoever ye are, Allah will bring you together. For Allah hath power over all things." (Surah 2:148) "Those who believe, and adopt exile and fight for the Faith, in the cause of Allah as well as those who give (them) asylum and aid--these are (all) in very truth the Believers: for them is the forgiveness of sins and a provision most generous." (Surah 8:74)</p> <p>In this way, the Koran establishes the basis of a Muslim Brotherhood in which they serve and support each other and their activities that are considered to be for the cause of Allah, or for Islam in general. Thus, they are motivated to work to help one another, which is natural in any faith. However, this is most favorably viewed while under the dictates of the Koranic law, which takes priority over the civil or state law of the local country. This is the foundation of what is called the "Islamic Nation", which Muslims call the general Islamic community that consists of Muslims throughout the world. Furthermore, few outsiders are allowed to be part of this brotherhood. It tends to divide Muslims from all others who are non-Muslims, who are considered non-believers in view of the Koranic verses quoted above.</p> <p>The Koran describes how the fellowship and brotherhood of mankind should exist only within the Muslim community, the Islam Nation, and not with any outsiders, including Jews and Christians. This sort of vision will certainly keep the divisive nature existing between religious and cultural communities. How can there be peace in the world if any religion advocates such an attitude of one people toward another? Yet the following verses clearly indicate that Muslims should make no friends with non-Muslims.</p> <p>"O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom." (3:118)</p> <p>"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors; They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust." (5:51)</p> <p>"Let not the Believers take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than Believers; if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (to remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." (3:28) "O ye who believe! Take not for protection your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: If any of you do so, they do wrong." (9:23)</p> <p>"Remember who the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans, but the best of planners is Allah." (8:30)</p> <p>"But those who disobey Allah and His Messenger and transgress His limits will be admitted to a fire, to abide therein: and they shall have a humiliating punishment." (4:14)</p> <p>A few additional verses that help clarify this include the following: "The Believers are but a single Brotherhood: So make peace and reconciliation between your two (contending) brothers; And fear Allah, that ye may receive mercy." (Surah 49.10) "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other." (Surah 48.29)</p> <p>The problem with this sort of brotherhood has been noted by numerous people. In a lecture in California in January of 1900, Vivekananda said: "Mohammedans talk of universal brotherhood, but what comes out of that in reality? Why, anybody who is not a Mohammedan will not be admitted into the brotherhood; he will more likely have his throat cut."</p> <p>Another example is from Dr. B. R. Ambedkar, who formed the Indian Constitution. He could see the dangers of what is the Islamic brotherhood. In his book, "Thoughts on Pakistan", published in 1940, he explains: "Hinduism is said to divide people and in contrast Islam is said to bind people together. But this is only a half truth. For Islam divides as inexorably as it binds. Islam is a close corporation and the distinction that it makes between Muslims and non-Muslims is a very real, very positive and very alienating distinction. The brotherhood of Islam is not the universal brotherhood of man. It is the brotherhood of Muslims for Muslims only. There is a fraternity but its benefit is confined to those within that corporation. For those who are outside the corporation there is nothing but contempt and enmity."</p> <p>In 1941, Ambedkar spoke further about the effects of the Islamic brotherhood, at least in India. However, it reflects an attitude in Muslims that is found in numerous other areas as well. "It is this which leads every Mussalman in India to say that he is a Muslim first and Indian afterwards. It is this sentiment which explains why the Indian Muslim has taken so small a part in the advancement of India but has spent himself to exhaustion by taking up the cause of Muslim countries and why Muslim countries occupy the first place and India occupies the second place in his thoughts."</p> <p>However, now there is also an increasing number of wars amongst the Islamic denominations. In a recent edition of the Washington Post (June 25, 2003, Page A23) there was an article titled "Radical Muslims Killing Muslims" by Zahir Janmohamed. In that he mentioned: "There is a tendency to view the Muslim population as a monolith, with a uniform agenda and little dissent. This outlook on Islam has prompted a slew of articles with titles like "Why Do They Hate Us." But in Pakistan, many Islamic radicals hold equal (and sometimes more) animosity toward dissenting Muslims (particularly Shiites) than toward westerners. The Sipah-i-Sahaba have even killed many of their own Sunni clerics, because the clerics rejected their divisive agenda. Often, implementing a skewed understanding of Islamic sharia (religious law) -- and not hatred of the West -- is their prime motivation."</p> <p>This is my case in point: That as long as anyone utilizes "a skewed understanding of Islamic religious law" regarding any of the numerous above-mentioned Koranic verses, they have all the ammunition they need to justify their own radical ideas and methods of engaging in "the Cause of Allah". In conclusion, if any of the above information and Koranic references are taught to young Muslims in such places as the thousands of madarsas (Islamic schools) in India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and other places; and say that the 880 million fellow citizens of India, or others elsewhere in the world, are but kafirs and infidels who deserve or are ultimately going to be thrown into the hellfire; and that their primary allegiance is not to the country of their residence but to the State of Islam; and that the Koran justifies them to engage in Jihad against all non-Muslims; then their spiritual well-being, along with the peace of the world and the safety of anyone else, and the existence of any religion outside Islam, is in jeopardy. This is what must be recognized.</p> <p>For this reason it may behoove Muslims to remove the teachings in the Koran that are often interpreted as hateful by Westerners and toward Westerners, or are used by Muslims as the basis of hatred and resentment towards all those who are not Muslims. Certainly it would provide for a more peaceful world. There must come a time when it is understood that we are all children of the same God. There may be differences in the way we recognize and worship God, but this should be a natural difference in the varying sentiments of respect and veneration and love for God. It should not be misconstrued that only one way is indeed the only way. This will keep the world bound in religious dictatorial views and ambitions, as well as quarrels and wars, without end. This is not the way God wanted it.</p> <p>(Verses were taken from "The Holy Qur'an: Text, Translation and Commentary" by 'Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali, published by Amana Corporation, Brentwood, Maryland, USA, in cooperation with the International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT). </p>
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Anonymous 110@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p>Put simply, the basic premise of the Abrahamic beliefs (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) are as follows:</p> <p>- God is just, kind, perfect<br /> - This life is our first and last life<br /> - God is testing us here<br /> - Based on the marks we obtain in this test, we will go to either Heaven or Hell.</p> <p>The differences between Judaism, Christianity and Islam lie only in<br /> - the testing criteria and the description of Heaven and Hell<br /> - the level of fanaticism required for passing this Test.</p> <p>But the basic construct is same – One Life which is Test, God is best examiner, and Result is Pass (Heaven) or Fail (Hell) .</p> <p>Let us evaluate this basic construct critically through a series of examples, and decide whether it is logically plausible.</p> <p>1.<br /> Many children die in the wombs. Now as per Islam or Christianity would they go to Heaven or Hell? Most scholars of Islam and Christianity say they go to Heaven because they never did anything wrong in their lives.</p> <p>Now my question is “Did they even have an option to do anything wrong?”</p> <p>Is God not being partial by clearing one candidate even without starting his examination, and another one has to keep giving test after test continuously for 100 years!</p> <p>2.<br /> Many children die young before they reach maturity. Even the wrong acts they do are not out of willful desire to do something wrong but out of innocence. Would they reach Heaven or Hell?</p> <p>If they reach Heaven, then why does God not kill everyone in their childhood and ensure a seat in Heaven for them? Is God not being unjust and imperfect?</p> <p>If they reach Hell, what was their fault?</p> <p>Say twins were born. Both lived same innocent life for first 3 years. Then one died. He will go straight to Heaven. The other remained innocent for next few years, then got into bad company, became an Apostate/Kafir and died at age of 60. Now he should go to Hell, as per the Books.</p> <p>Is this not God’s crime that he made him live for 60 years and not his brother? Had he killed both at same age of 3 years, both would have gone to Heaven!</p> <p>So if there is one life and permanent Heaven/Hell, it proves God is unjust.</p> <p>3.<br /> A person is born insane. His mental faculties have not developed beyond say, age of five. But he lives a long life. Will he go to Hell or Heaven?</p> <p>Again the same questions as above rise. And result in either God being unjust or concept of one life as test to enter Heaven/Hell being wrong.<br /> 4.<br /> One person is born in family of Hindu, another in home of an atheist, one as a Muslim and another as a Christian. Based on what they imbibe from their respective societies, they become a devout Hindu, Atheist, Muslim and Christian respectively.</p> <p>Now as per Islam, only those who believe in Quran and Muhammad can go to Heaven. As per Christians, only those who surrender to Jesus can go to Heaven.</p> <p>So who will go where?</p> <p>Definitely the Hindu and Atheist are bound to go to Hell. Now my question is “Was God not unjust by not giving everyone birth in family of Muslim or Christian, whosoever is correct?”</p> <p>What is my fault if I was born and brought up in a Hindu family and never got any reason to be convinced by Quran or Bible? Why has God planned my stay in Hell from advance?</p> <p>5.<br /> A person who is devout follower of Islam believes that children go to Heaven because that is what scholars teach him. So as a noble example of self-sacrifice, he starts killing children. His logic is that, even if I have to burn in Hell forever, I should do my best to ensure that these innocent children get reservation for Paradise!</p> <p>Thus he is doing a selfless social service. Will he go to Heaven or Hell?</p> <p>If he goes to Heaven, then Allah or God is setting a wrong example for people to follow.</p> <p>If he goes to Hell, then selflessness is bad.</p> <p>Further, since no one will actually know who will go where until doomsday comes, it means God has already spread enough confusion to motivate many innocent selfless social workers to follow the path of infanticide and killing!</p> <p>6.<br /> An unbiased testing environment will demand that<br /> - first the subject be taught to everyone with same facilities,<br /> - then they should be evaluated under same testing environment.</p> <p>Accordingly, God should have first imbibed Quran or Bible, whichever is true, in hearts of all people, then given them birth in same types of family, allowed them to grow up in same place and in same conditions, and only then should have conducted the test.</p> <p>But in this world, we find the testing environment to be as diverse as one can possibly imagine. And yet God is claimed to be perfect, just and kind!</p> <p>Most religious scholars answer this paradox by saying that God or Allah knows how to decide the fate by whatever acts people have done in their respective lives based on whatever environment they had to live in. This seems to be like God having something like the Duckworth-Lewis formula which is used to decide winner of an interrupted cricket match.</p> <p>Now this raises few doubts:</p> <p>One,<br /> if indeed God is perfect and He has such a great scoring formula, why did he create the entire drama and wasted so many years? He should have used the formula in the very beginning and directly sent everyone to either Heaven or Hell!</p> <p>Two,<br /> If the formula works on a stillborn child or a fetus, why did he unnecessarily bias against certain folks and had them face troubles of long lives? After all He had created everyone equal to start with!</p> <p>Three,<br /> The test seems to have discrete results. As per Quran, all Heaven-goers would get 72 virgins each. There seems to be no concept of variation of results as per deeds. Some books do talk of several varieties of Heaven, but these merely increase a binary solution to a finite number solution (Instead of one Heaven and one Hell, there are now say 10 Heavens and 10 Hells). But still there is no continuous gradation. It is like a continuous function equation is giving a non-zero discrete answer, which is mathematically improbable.<br /> 7.<br /> People seem to be retaining their youthful bodies in Heaven. Now will they be able to change their looks if they want to? What about children and fetus who go to Heaven? Will they go as adults? Will they receive a training in Hebrew or Arabic which is supposed to be the language of Heaven? If indeed so, why did God not make only one single language in earth also?</p> <p>8.<br /> What about animals – reptiles, insects, mammals and other creatures? Will they go to Heaven or Hell? The earlier belief was that animals do not have souls. But now that it has been amply proved that at least the higher animals feel pain and pleasure like humans, the opinion is divided.</p> <p>Some claim that they will also go to Heaven. Others say that Allah knows the best!</p> <p>In case they go to Heaven, why did God or Allah bias against others and not gave them birth as cockroaches and goats? That way they too would have got straight passport to Heaven!</p> <p>In case they go to Hell, what was their fault?</p> <p>Also, will they live like cockroaches and goats, or will they get human body? Will their intelligence be enhanced? Or they remain equally dumb as in earth?</p> <p>9.<br /> Heaven and Hell seem to be permanent. It will continue forever, as per these religions. Now if that be so, God’s injustice becomes even more prominent in light of above points.</p> <p>Based on one single test, God put certain people directly in Heaven without testing them at all! Others he tested for so many years. Some he gave birth in homes of Apostates, some as children of Prophet himself.</p> <p>Is this not gravest cheating?</p> <p>God is the most unjust and biggest cheater of these stories of there being one single exam and Heaven/Hell forever be true.</p> <p>A corollary:<br /> What would happen if people start fighting or cheating or adultery in Heaven? Will they be shifted to Hell? Or will they be permitted to do whatever they want and yet remain in Heaven?</p> <p>The Holy Books seem to be silent on this!</p> <p>By <a href='http://agniveer.com/god-crazy/'>Agniveer</a> </p>
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Anonymous 105@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p>Recently there was a scientific experiment on Big bang. Scientists were trying to simulate the situation that occurred some billions of years ago. Congrats to CERN scientists for their wonderful achievement.</p> <p>Just few thoughts from my side on this topic.</p> <p>Simulating an incident which happened long ago (that's what we are said to believe) required so many great brains of the world to join together and work for so many months and toil day in and day out for making this success. With modern advanced technology and advanced scientists, this is a great achievement. So many intelligent people behind it. Congrats to all of them</p> <p>If just simulation of the Big bang requires so much intelligent people all around the world, How much intelligence should be behind the real Big Bang ? !! This is the real bang which actually produced so many universes [we don’t have a proper count also], with such wonderful life forms [still uncountable], with such delicate, intricate work in every aspect of nature.</p> <p>&quot;Do not be afraid of being free thinkers. If you think strongly enough you will be forced by science to the belief in God, which is the foundation of all religion. You will find science not antagonistic but helpful to religion.&quot; – Lord Kelvin</p> <p> One of the funny things I found was after the experiment was successful the scientists celebrated their success by boozing :) !!</p> <p> I will anyday bet my life on the pure life and teachings of Ramanuja acarya, Madhvaacarya, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu,Srila Prabhupada and not on these people who simply booze for their emprical research. </p>
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Anonymous 104@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p>I had been to chennai recently for the pandal program of ISKCON. One of my friends came there to meet me, but he was not ready to come to the ISKCON program. I put my arguments why he should attend the program. And he put his arguments why he should not attend the program. In due course of the &quot;Cofee-Tofee&quot; discussion, he asked a question &quot;What you got by becoming a Hare Krishna?&quot;</p> <p>This made me think. And I got a good topic for my blog...</p> <p>Here are few answers. I think this topic is a blog that will keep coming in part 2,3,4... till I stop blogging or till my life ends.</p> <p>1. Got access to the unlimited vedic knowledge through Srila Prabhupada’s books.<br /> 2. Chanting Hare Krishna removed the bodily concept of life in which I had a strong hold<br /> 3. Elevated my consciousness to a platform which I had never imagined<br /> 4. Got access to varieties of prasadam :P I had never imagined.<br /> 5. Got access to a wonderful bunch of people (devotees) in my life. I just love to stay with them. Never had the satisfaction level so high.<br /> 6. Showed me the goal of my life otherwise just hankering around eating,mating,sleeping and defending.<br /> 7. Reminded me of Who is Krishna?<br /> 8. Got access to the unlimited Sankirtan stories – how Krishna helps sincere souls all around the world to get in touch with Prabhupada.<br /> 9. Got access to people who dedicated their lives for Krishna consciousness without bothering their personal comforts<br /> 10. Learnt how miserable is material life<br /> 11. Learnt that even after learning the miseries of material existence, how I am still attached to it.<br /> 12. Learning how maya can trick me in different ways<br /> 13. Learning that how to carefully handle peoples’ and devotees’ feelings. More and better concerned with feelings rather than the monetary value associated with people<br /> 14. Learnt how intoxication, meat eating, gambling, illict sex makes one forget Krishna and even Krishna becomes more and more inaccessible to people who are indulged in these sinful activities.<br /> 15. Learnt who real guru is and who is bogus.<br /> 16. Learnt that though I have devotees around me, neither I am nor they are liberated souls. There should be disagreements.<br /> 17. Learnt that it is better to have my work simple, so that more efforts can be put in Krishna consciousness.<br /> 18. Learnt that it is not our strength to have our consciousness UP. Requires Krishna’s blessings. Requires our prayers.<br /> 19. Learnt how people are looking after Krishna, but they don’t realize they are looking after Krishna. Or even if we provide Krishna, they have so many of misgivings of their hearts which prevents them to take Krishna consciousness. Requires HEAVY Kirtans !!<br /> 20. Much more… But both you and I may feel bored. Will continue on this topic after some more blogs… </p>
Anonymous on "Questions for our Islamic friends?" http://absolutetruth.in/forums/topic/questions-for-our-islamic-friends#post-102
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Anonymous 102@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p>There also seem to be lot of <a href='http://www.rim.org/muslim/quranproblems.htm'>contradictions</a> between Bible and Koran a full list can be found <a href='http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra'>here</a>. According to Islamic followers Jesus is considered to be a prophet. And Bible is a authentic message of God.</p> <p><strong>Some ethical questions</strong><br /> 1. Reciprocity: If Muslims can build mosques in India, and increasingly demand more mosques and the right to sound the call to prayer, why are there no churches,temples in Saudi Arabia? If non-Christians are welcome to visit Rome, Jerusalem and the great cathedrals of Christendom, why are non-Muslims threatened with death if they set foot in Mecca?</p> <p>2. Blasphemy: Given that, even though hardly a day passes without some insults against Hinduism in our media or daily conversations, Hindus seldom even complain, why are remarks deemed insulting to Islam, often even without that intent, often met with blood-curdling threats?</p> <p>3. Apostasy: Why should someone who gives up Islam, for another faith or no belief, be killed or mistreated, when the Koran says that &quot;there is no compulsion in religion&quot;?</p> <p>4. What about taqiyya, ‘deception’? Do Muslims believe it’s acceptable to lie? When they present a moderate image, is it genuine or is it a strategy to deceive?</p> <p>5. What about the principle of abrogation, meaning that so-called &quot;Surahs of the Sword&quot; in the Koran – advocating violent jihad – supercede the &quot;Surahs of Peace&quot;? Sayyid Qutb, godfather of Islamism and author of Milestones, the Islamists’ Mein Kampf, writes that &quot;the command to refrain from fighting during the Meccan period was a temporary stage in a long journey&quot; and that Islam &quot;has the right to destroy all obstacles in the form of institutions and traditions&quot;. When God restrained Muslims from violent jihad, Qutb adds, &quot;it was a question of strategy rather than principle&quot;. Is that why so many British Muslims have stayed silent? Are they following strategy rather than principle? If not, let them speak out, unconditionally and loudly, against violence and hate, and in favour of liberal democracy.</p> <p>6. Is it true that in many mosques, Muslims pray a ‘cursing prayer’ against non-Muslims, sometimes over the loud-speakers to intimidate their non-Muslim neighbours?</p> <p>7. Why do Muslims make such a noise about Palestine, Kashmir and Chechnya, but seldom campaign against Muslim-on-Muslim abuse, such as the genocide in Darfur, and are almost silent on human rights violations in non-Muslim lands, such as Burma or North Korea or Zimbabwe? Daveed Gartenstein-Ross – a former convert to Islam who joined a Wahhabi charity that funded al-Qaeda – recalls in his book My Year in Radical Islam a fellow-Muslim dismissing accounts of the Taliban’s record in Afghanistan as &quot;Western media hype&quot;. Gartenstein-Ross writes: &quot;The lack of women’s rights, the slaughter of Shias, the complete suppression of freedoms – all of this was being written off as hype? But at the time, it seemed that nobody else noticed this. Not the teachers, not the students.&quot; Instead, he claims, his co-workers went on the offensive. &quot;In every area where Islam was criticised, they tried to show that the West was worse.&quot; Why?</p> <p>8. Honour crimes: Although honour crimes are not limited to the Muslim community, they are particularly prevalent in the Muslim world. Why, if Islam is a religion of peace, do Muslim parents beat or kill their daughters for actions that would be accepted in almost any other community in the civilised world?</p> <p>9. Women: why is a woman’s evidence worth half that of a man in court? Under Pakistan's Hudood Ordinances, for example, a woman who has been raped has to produce four male Muslim witnesses – otherwise she is charged with adultery and jailed.</p> <p>10. Melanie Phillips has said that according to studies and polls, Britain is the least Islamophobic country in Europe, and yet it is the host-country most hated by its Muslim citizens. Why? </p>
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Truth Seeker 101@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p><strong>On Karma</strong><br /> -------------------------<br /> 1.</p> <li><em>How does Islam explain differences amongst humans at birth. Like those born with deformities, differences amongst rich and poor. If all humans take birth for the first time then why there are differences?</em></li> <li><em>Why does Jesus say "<strong>"as you sow, so shall you reap" Epistle to the Galatians, 6:7</strong>?</em></li> <p>The Vedas answer for this is the Law of Karma.</p> <p><strong>Allah having Form or Not</strong><br /> ------------------------------------------<br /> 2.</p> <li><em>Does Allah have a spiritual non material form or not? When humans have form why can't God his creator have form? Would this not be an deficiency on God?</em> </li> <li><em>Bible says "<strong>So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them [Genesis 1:27], How do we understand this?<em><br /> </em></strong></em></li> <p>Lord Krishna has a spiritual form.</p> <p><strong>After Death</strong><br /> -----------------------<br /> 3.</p> <li><em>What happens to people after facing the Judgment day? Are they lost forever?</em></li> <p>Vedas also describe about Judgment day where Yama the demigod of Nether regions does judge everyone's actions and punishes or rewards them accordingly at Hell but later they are born again in Earth after their term at Hell.</p> <p>4.</p> <li><em>What is the relationship between God and Soul? Is there an eternal relationship, Do they have free will after the day of judgment (and ascending to heaven lets say) to obey or disobey God?</em></li> <p><strong> Satan </strong><br /> ------------------------<br /> 5.</p> <li><em>How can there be "Satan" enemy of God in his creation? Or is Satan an independent entity?</em></li> <p>There is no concept of Satan in Vedas, All evils and defects are due to our own wrong choice of willfully turning away from God. There is prakriti or material nature energy of God which facilitates forgetfulness for those who don't want to remember God. When the soul surrenders to God the same nature helps him to reach him.</p> <p>The reason could to just keep the fear in men to not leave the path of God.</p> <p><strong>Comprehensiveness</strong><br /> ----------------------------------<br /> 6.</p> <li><em>When Koran is mostly comprising of Do's and Don'ts, how can it be considered complete?</em></li> <li><em>Why does Jesus in Bible <strong>"There are more things I would like to say but you would not be able to understand?"</strong></em></li> <li><em>When Hazrat Muhammad ascended to the abode of Allah he received three kinds of knowledge from Him:<br /> 1) The knowledge that Allah ordered Muhammad to conceal;<br /> 2) The knowledge that Allah let Hazrat Muhammad choose whether he wished to conceal or reveal;<br /> 3) The knowledge which Allah ordered the Apostle to communicate to all members of the community.<br /> (Nadar Beg K. Mirza, 'Reincarnation and Islam', and Geo Widengren, 'Muhammad the Apostle of God and his ascension', page 108)<br /> Thus, Hazrat Muhammad received part of the eternal divine knowledge of which part he had to conceal.<br /> When the messenger of God comes, he delivers knowledge according to time, place, circumstances and the intellectual capacities of the people. Once, the Apostle of God said, <strong>"Speak to the people according to their intellectual capacities. For if you speak all things to all men, some cannot understand you, and so fall into errors." </strong></em></li> <p>Veda means knowledge it is an encyclopedia.The Bhavisya Purana also mentions about advent of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) inorder deliver the message of God to people of West Asia in order to elevate them to a civilized state from state of chaos. So Islam is a subset of Vedanta customized to people in medieval Arabia.</p> <p><strong>Animal rights</strong><br /> -------------------------------<br /> 7.</p> <li><em>Do animals have soul? Prophet Mohammad says you have treat animals as your own brothers then why the animals are being mercilessly killed? St Francis preached God consciousness to animals.</em></li> <p>8.</p> <li><em>Why do followers of Islam don't stop cow killing when Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) himself has never sacrificed cows?</em></li> <p>9.</p> <li><em>Why is there no reduction in killing animals for meat inspite of clear instruction in Koran do desist killing animals unless required?</em></li> <p>In Arabian desert no other food source was available so animal killing can be justified but why now?</p> <p>10.</p> <li>Moses says <strong>"Thou shall not Kill"</strong>. But it is conveniently interpreted as <strong>"Thou shall not kill humans"</strong>.</li> <p><strong>Reincarnation</strong><br /> ----------------------------------------<br /> 11.<em> <a href='http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm'> Dr Ian Stevenson</a> has studied about 4000 cases of people remembering past lives and which has been verified? What does Koran have to see about this?</em></p> <p>The Koran itself seems quite clear: "And you were dead, and He brought you back to life. And He shall cause you to die, and shall bring you back to life, and in the end shall gather you unto Himself." (2:28). The words "you were dead" can only mean that they had lived before becoming dead. And the words "in the end shall gather you unto Himself" could very well mean the attainment of moksha (release) rather than an eternal life in heaven or hell. </p> <p>Apart from scientific evidences to vedic concept of re-incarnation. There are <a href='http://reluctant-messenger.com/origen3.html'>Biblical evidences</a> too. </p>
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Anonymous 98@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p>1. The food stuffs used to bathe the Lord like milk, water, honey, ghee etc will not be wasted thereafter. Instead they are distributed to public. So it is not waste of food. </p> <p>2. Besides Udupi, so many temples distribute free food daily. Why this is not appreciated easily ?</p> <p>3. Somehow we are conditioned to think critically when some pooja or worship is involved even though there is a lot of genuine philonthropic work accompanied with it ? Are we biased against rituals ?</p> <p>4. If people can be encouraged to help and serve others using temples or rituals isn't it better ?</p> <p>5. Atleast in India, a large gathering of people and mass food distribution happens only at temples. Even other humanitarian activities like health check up, mass marriages, education etc happen around temples. So to adopt &quot;Temple Free&quot; mentality to propogate public service will really not work out in India. </p> <p>6. The question is really to help deserving people or to 'change' the social vedic structure established since ages ? If it is to help people, then there is already a well established, time tested method of doing it centered around a diety in Temple or a society. It just needs to be added with a few more facilities to suit modern requirements like health, education, social responsibilities presented scientifically. Such temples are already functional in the world and ISKCON Temples is best example. It includes educated people well aware of their responsibilities in world both towards God and living beings around them. </p>
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Truth Seeker 97@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p>Aashish, has a sincere question, &quot;For some, spiritual enlightenment is not about going to temple or chanting god's name 101 times, it might be doing good to fellow humans/working for less fortunate ones, fighting against an evil cause. These days visiting Siddhivinayak temple cost me 50 bucks, Balaji is another thousand of bucks. So why go to the temple when it is highly commercialised? Bathing gods in milk, making the idols wear good clothes, burning lamps, decorating the idols with flowers?...is it really necessary when India has highest rate of malnutrition children in the world? When more than 75% of Indian population is below poverty line? My sane mind fails to understand this importance to religious places when fellow humans have shanties to live? Why not cease to concentrate about 'just me' and my spiritual wellbeing and work for less fortunate? What are your thoughts on it?&quot;</p> <p> A Deeper Look<br /> I thank you for your candid remarks and concern at the degrading religious rituals. You definitely have a point and I appreciate your wisdom to see through the facade of religious dogma.</p> <p>It's unfortunate that millions languish in poverty and malnutrition while the affluent continue to party and the politicians are busy blowing their own trumpets, or making empty promises. It's more unfortunate when they conveniently put the burden of alleviating poverty on the spiritual practitioners, while absolving themselves of the responsibility. To begin with, shouldn't all excesses be stopped-movies, sports and dance clubs, besides thousands of other sources of entertainment which consumes a great deal of time, energy and money? And instead, let us all serve a noble cause. Shouldn't this be the concern of all individuals irrespective of whether they are housewives, politicians or religious priests? A genuinely 'spiritual' person certainly addresses these issues 'while going to the temple, burning lamps or decorating the idols'. Let's see how.</p> <p>A sincere spiritual practitioner never thinks of his identity as separate from the Lord and other living entities. He attempts to revive his dormant love for God through spiritual practises, and meaningful rituals, while simultaneously serving all, as children of the same God. Although the rituals externally appear mechanical and meaningless, they are supposed to be performed in a mood of remembering God, and with an aspiration to be the servant of all living entities. (Padma Purana). Of course someone may claim that rituals aren't needed to be 'spiritual'. Although the internal mood is critical in our communion with God, the external formulas, as presented through the rituals, do influence the internals. While substance is ultimately important, it is the form that helps to carry and preserve the substance. While the letter is ultimately important, the envelope helps to protect and carry the content. The 'spirit'- added to a ritual makes it 'spiritual'.</p> <p>The act of decorating God with flowers or dresses helps us shift the focus from self to God, and helps us see ourselves as part of the divine Whole, having an eternal existence as children of God; rather than selfishly pursue our own ephemeral goals. This fills the heart with a love that transcends gross material lust and ego centered drives.</p> <p>In this consciousness, when a person performs puja, and prayers, his heart gets reformed - selfish passions give way to the spirit of selfless service; arrogance transforms to humility; and envy to appreciation of others. Therefore you will see that spiritual practitioners lead a frugal life, and renounce things that are avowedly pursued by the general populace. Ironically while National leaders and leading corporates express their desire to serve the poor, they party in a plush 5-star hotel. Of course it's also true that when rituals are performed without knowledge, they too cause havoc to the society. When we identify with the externals of a religion, we miss the essence. We may fight over our religious ideologies but have no idea of God or our relationship with Him.</p> <p>Reconnecting with God helps us see all living entities as also children of the same God. For example two men may fight bitterly but when they realize they are brothers and have the same father, (as shown in old Hindi Movies) their animosity dissolves and there is an emotional reunion. A sincere devotee of God recognizes Muslims, Hindus and Christians, all as children of the same God, and thus loves them all. (Bhagavad Gita 14.4).</p> <p>Of course, we may serve without God in picture. However there is a difference. If a child of a multi billionaire runs away from home and languishes in the street, wouldn't the father be pained. While different people may offer help to the boy on the street- by giving a rupee, or clothes or food, a real well wisher will take responsibility for the child to be reconnected with the father. A person who recognizes who the child is, will certainly feed, and clothe the child while convincing him to go back to his parents. His service is more meaningful and beneficial for the child. Similarly serving the poor and needy is laudable in this age of crass greed. We can take our service a step higher by sacrificing things and pleasures dear to us, for the sake of praying for others and serving them in their journey of being reconnected with God.</p> <p>Unfortunately the poor continue to remain poor due to primarily two reasons- exploitation by the non-poor and wanton living by the poor themselves. The United Nations Development report claims $13 trillion will end poverty of the world. Ironically Europe and US spend this amount annually on their cosmetics.</p> <p>In the Vedic culture, individual families possessed little but no one starved because the local village temple was the centre of everyone's life. There would be festivals, pujas and dramas daily in the evenings and families had plenty. Besides the spiritual entertainment in terms of dramas depicted from Ramayana and Mahabharata kept people in good humor. Even today if you go to Udupi, Dharmasthala or Barsana, you may find most people are<br /> not financially wealthy but spiritually they are. They have a simple life centered on service to God and no poverty. In fact in Udupi, there is free food (Prasad) distribution to whoever walks into the temple, at any time of the day. </p> <p>Lord McCauley, in his speech dated Feb 2, 1835, revealed to the British Parliament, the glory of Vedic India. The House of Commons Library has documented his famous words, &quot;I have traveled across the length and breadth of India and I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values, people of such caliber, that I do not think we would ever conquer this country, unless we break the very backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage, i iiii.. &quot;. Since the focus of activities then was to serve and love God, people were happy. Evenings would be spent congregating<br /> in local temples, and kirtans, katha, and devotional dramas kept people entertained and spiritually surcharged. Ironically today, despite the best time saving devices, people are getting busier, and regret having no free time to relax. Modern entertainment is simply bombardment of variegated visual images on the television screen that has desensitized us and reduced us to lead a life akin to a programmed robot.</p> <p>Few years ago I went to Orrissa with a group of students on a yatra to holy places. It was a humbling experience. People were poor but considered it their great fortune that so many devotees had graced their village (we were 150 of us). They opened their hearts and home for all of us and even refused to take a donation for all the services they offered us. I couldn't help contrasting this with the cold stares and stern security guards who gaze at us in cities. The insecurity that builds with possessing and enjoying more is obvious and one who centers his/her life on service to God is happy and contented. Thus he/she adds value to society.</p> <p>The need of the hour is to stop the blind hedonistic pursuits, championed by the media and movies, and focus more on the sublime values of life. It's foolish to want to serve poor while simultaneously pursuing grossly materialistic pursuits, and justify it in the name of being ambitious and passionate about life. Remember the resources in this world are scarce and the more we pursue a life centered on our own enjoyment, there has to be a clash between the haves and the have not's.</p> <p>Besides, even practically speaking, a person serving God contributes to national income and accentuates the money multiplier effect. The flower sellers and dress makers make a living and so does an honest taxi driver as<br /> he drives you to the temple.</p> <p>by ARISEINDIAFORUM.IN </p>
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Anonymous 94@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p>Once a drunk person walking on a roof came dangerously close to the edge. When a wise person warned him, &quot;Stop.<br /> Don't move forward,&quot; he angrily retorted, &quot;Who are you to stop me? I am free to go wherever I want.&quot; Yes free he<br /> was, as he soon found - free to suffer and free to lose his freedom to walk forever.</p> <p>Restriction is not a depriver of freedom, but a provider of freedom. When a doctor restricts the diet of a patient, that restriction facilitates the patient's quick freedom from disease and provides future freedom to eat properly. If the patient rejects the restrictions, he aggravates his disease. Either he loses his digestive ability permanently and has to live on soup lifelong, which is a pathetic loss of freedom in eating. Or he may lose his life itself, which is the ultimate loss of freedom.</p> <p>The sacred Vedic scriptures - and indeed the all religious scriptures in essence - explain that our present material existence is a diseased state of existence. We are eternal spiritual beings, beloved children of God, but are currently restricted to temporal, physical existence due to spiritual amnesia. This original malaise subjects us to mental miseries like stress, anxiety, depression, jealousy as well as physical sufferings like old age, disease and death.</p> <p> TheShrimadBhagavatam(1.17.38) declares illicit sex, gambling, meat-eating and intoxication as four primary anti-<br /> spiritual activities. Modern social sciences have discovered how these activities harm us physically, psychologically, economically, ecologically, educationally and socially, as analyzed by scholar Steven Rosen in his book &quot;The Regulative Principles of Freedom, A Comprehensive Study.&quot; These physical drives also increase our bodily identification and perpetuate our spiritual forgetfulness, thus making us bereft of our natural spiritual joyfulness. Those who eschew these soul-defiling pleasures and cure their spiritual amnesia by chanting the names of God become increasingly free from petty bodily hankerings and lamentations and experience profound devotional happiness even in this life, what to speak of the next. Srila Prabhupada, called these restrictions as &quot;the regulative principles of freedom.&quot; The wise who follow them are bound to be free. </p>
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Anonymous 93@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p>The trout is caught by the fisherman’s lure, the mouse by cheese. A tragic irony of the struggle for existence is that living beings are often destroyed by what they desire. But at least the fish and the mouse have excuses: the bait and the cheese look like sustenance. Also the fish and the mouse do not know in advance that they will be trapped. Humans seldom have either of these excuses. The temptations that wreck their lives are quite often pure indulgences that are known to be dangerous. For example, no one has to smoke for survival and almost all smokers are aware that smoking is dangerous.</p> <p>TRAGICALLY TRAPPED</p> <p>Consider the following World Health Organization statistics: Tobacco kills nearly 10,000 people worldwide every day. By 2020 it is predicted that tobacco use will cause over 12% of all deaths globally. This is more deaths<br /> worldwide than HIV, tuberculosis, maternal mortality, motor vehicle accidents, suicide and homicide combined.<br /> Half of those who start smoking in adolescence will die in middle age, losing around 22 years of normal life<br /> expectancy.<br /> Add the facts that an average cigarette contains 401 poisons and 43 cancer-causing chemicals and that there are<br /> around 1.1 billion smokers in the world (about one-third of the global population aged 15 and over) and we have quite a sobering picture of the world around us. The statistics about other self-destructive behavioral patterns – alcoholism, substance abuse and suicide - are equally, if not more, alarming. And even among so-called normal people, practically everyone is victimized by some form of self-destructive behavioral pattern - unwarranted expression of anger that turn out to be disastrous, unintentional use of caustic words that break hearts and ruin lives and so on.</p> <p>A question naturally arises: how does an intelligent human being embark on such a destructive course? Most people<br /> know that when they start, say, smoking, they are treading into a danger zone. But the media, the friends circle, the peddlers persuade them to experiment just once. Seeking a break from the humdrum daily life with its inane pleasures, they acquiesce. The impression of instant pleasure gets embedded in their mind and in future whenever they face a reversal, they tend to seek immediate relief through smoking. Every successive experience of smoking reinforces the earlier impressions, strengthens the tendency to seek momentary relief and weakens the voice of intelligence and conscience. Till smoking becomes an irresistible demand, a compulsive need, an addictive habit. They are by then helpless victims, driven again and again towards smoking like a moth attracted towards fire.</p> <p>CURRENT SOLUTIONS<br /> Let us now analyze some of the methods currently used for de-addiction: </p> <p>1. Knowledge: It would seem that if people knew about the dangers involved, that would deter them from indulgence. Sometimes. But not generally. Sometimes knowledge has the opposite effect. For example, after governmental regulations made it mandatory to display, &quot;Cigarette smoking is injurious to health&quot; on every cigarette ad and pack, cigarette sales increased; the warning tended to evoke a dare-devilish spirit in smokers.<br /> 2. Emotional Support: Often people turn to addictions when they are emotionally let down or betrayed by their loved ones. Also adolescents who have not been emotionally cared for tend to be more susceptible to addictions. So providing emotional support through personal counseling is thought of as a solution. But this often leads to the addicts becoming chronically dependent on their counselor. In the fast-paced modern lifestyle few people can invest the time and energy to provide intensive emotional support consistently. Seeking professional guidance entails prohibitive costs. Moreover psychologists and psychiatrists often become so harassed by calls for help from distressed patients at unearthly hours that they themselves sometimes end up in need of counseling.<br /> 3. Sublimation: Sublimation involves replacing a gross physical drive with a more refined substitute. For example, an alcoholic might try to seek refuge in music instead of alcohol. But this can work only if he has a strong liking for music and if his addiction to alcohol is not overpowering. Another problem is that, due to recent mental impressions of indulgence in alcohol, that urge generally appears far more attractive than its substitute.<br /> 4. Willpower: Seeing the physical and emotional pain that he is inflicting upon himself and his loved ones, an addict may sometimes by sheer determination decide to give up his perverted habit. Unfortunately few people are able to muster the necessary willpower. Even if successful, they face the grim prospect of an entire lifetime of constant inner struggle with the fear of succumbing at any moment. And failure often brings with it intolerable feelings of guilt, making living itself an agony.<br /> 5. Religion: Statistical surveys have shown that the religiously committed are less likely to succumb to seeking perverted pleasures. Adopting religious principles rigorously also sometimes helps addicts to free themselves. Dr Patrick Glynn writes in his book God: The Evidence, &quot;It is difficult to find a more consistent correlative of mental health, or a better insurance against self-destructive behaviors, than a strong religious faith.&quot;</p> <p>While each of these methods has had some small success, humanity at large is mostly in darkness as regards a clear understanding about the factors that impel self-destructive behavior and the means to permanently rectify such behavior. Let us now consider the Vedic perspective about self-destruction. </p> <p>THE VEDIC PARADIGM<br /> In the Bhagavad-gita (3.36), Arjuna asks Lord Krishna, &quot;By what is one impelled to sinful acts, even unwillingly, as if engaged by force?&quot; Lord Krishna replies, &quot;It is lust only, Arjuna, which is born of contact with the mode of passion and later transformed into wrath, and which is the all-devouring sinful enemy of this world.&quot;</p> <p>The background of this dialogue is as follows. The fundamental teaching of the Bhagavad-gita is that the source of life in the material body, the actual self, is a non-material particle of spirit, known as the atman or the soul. The essential need of the soul is to love and be loved and to experience unbounded happiness through loving exchange. Being spiritual by constitution, the soul belongs to a higher dimensional milieu, the spiritual world. There the loving propensity of the soul finds complete fulfillment in the supremely lovable all-attractive person, who personally reciprocates with his love.</p> <p>In fact, the Vedic texts state: eko bahusyam. The Supreme has expanded into infinite subordinates for the purpose of loving reciprocation. The Vedanta Sutra explains: raso vai sah. The Supreme is the reservoir of all divine loving emotions. The Srimad Bhagavatam confirms that this Supreme Person is all-attractive and is therefore best known by the name Krishna, which means all-attractive in Sanskrit. In the spiritual world Krishna is the pivot of all relationships and the soul continually relishes ever-intensifying and ever-expanding ecstasies of love in relationship with Him there. Love necessitates freedom; only when the object of love freely chooses to reciprocate one's love does the experience of love becomes truly satisfying and fulfilling. The soul is therefore endowed with a minute free will to enable him to experience the joy of loving the Supreme Person Krishna. But when the soul misuses his free will and becomes causelessly unwilling to love Krishna, he has to find a substitute in whom to repose his loving propensity. Of course by definition there can be no substitute for the Supreme and by constitution the soul cannot find happiness in loving anyone other than the Supreme. But for those souls who insist on making that attempt, the world of matter (where all of us currently reside) provides the necessary arrangement for experimentation and rectification. </p> <p>THE ENEMY WITHIN<br /> As soon as the soul comes to the material world, his love for Krishna becomes perverted into lust. Lust is a formidable illusory force that offers the soul various surrogate objects of love to experiment with. Lust creates and perpetuates the misidentification of the soul with the material body that he is given. Lust causes within all living beings the overpowering drive for gross sexual enjoyment in specific, and all forms of material enjoyment in general. Modern civilization with its media, social environment, culture and overall values aggravates lust disproportionately. Especially the celluloid promises of unending sexual bliss provoke wild erotic fantasies. But the actual experience of sexual enjoyment is heartbreakingly brief; dreams cherished for years vanish within moments. Though what people experience is so pathetically little as compared to the hype, the media blitz goads them on. Sexual enjoyment, especially illicit, is a complicated affair; it involves money, time, intense emotions, interpersonal relationship dynamics, risk for prestige and so on. And the attempt for such enjoyment, even if somehow successful, leaves one feeling disappointed and cheated - and craving for more. And if unsuccessful it creates great anger. Either way the victims are soon so enslaved by lust that the more they try, the more they get frustrated, and yet the more they become impelled to keep trying. Eventually the accumulated enormous frustration makes instant relief a desperate necessity. Such people easily fall prey to the lure of quick pleasure offered by addictions.</p> <p>Lust is thus the internal enemy, which causes all self-destructive behavioral patterns. The Gita (18.39) describes<br /> vividly the nature of all perverted pleasures: they appear to be like nectar at first but poison at the end. Srila<br /> Prabhupada comments, &quot;While one enjoys sense gratification, it may be that there is some feeling of happiness, but<br /> actually that so-called feeling of happiness is the ultimate enemy of the sense enjoyer.&quot; Lust is present in everyone in varying degrees. That is why everyone, no matter how materially successful he may be, has some tendencies towards self-destructive behavior. People generally become concerned about such tendencies only when it exceeds socially acceptable limits. But actually lust throttles the ability of everyone to make meaningful contributions toward society and even towards their own future; the difference is only in degree. From the piritual<br /> point of view, lust is inherently self-destructive; it strips the soul of the unlimited spiritual happiness that is his birthright and forces him to labor for paltry material sensations of pleasure that can never satisfy his immortal longing.</p> <p>THE SUPREME CONQUEST<br /> Lust being a perversion of our original, essential nature, cannot possibly be annihilated, suppressed, repressed or even sublimated. But it can be reverted to its original nature by redirecting our loving propensity back to Krishna through the scientific process of devotional service. Action on the spiritual platform is what Lord Krishna recommends to Arjuna as the key to overcoming lust, &quot;Therefore knowing oneself to be transcendental to the material senses, mind and intelligence, O mighty-armed Arjuna, one should steady the mind by deliberate spiritual intelligence (Krishna consciousness) and thus – by spiritual strength – conquer this insatiable enemy known as lust.&quot; (Bhagavad-gita 3.43) The channeling of consciousness from matter back to Krishna is most easily and effectively executed through the medium of divine sound. The Supreme Person Krishna being omnipotent is fully present in His Holy Names. Chanting of the Holy Names therefore connects one immediately with Krishna, who is the supreme pleasure principle. Regular meditation on the Holy Names enables one to experience happiness streaming down from the spiritual dimension. This spiritual pleasure is so satisfying that it soon frees one from the craving for perverted mundane pleasure like drugs, alcohol etc.</p> <p>Millions of people all over the world have experienced the purifying potency of the Holy Names of God. During the<br /> period of the counterculture in the US in 1960s and 1970s, Srila Prabhupada propagated the congregational chanting of the Holy Names and saved thousands of young people from a condemned life of drug addiction. All over the globe<br /> ISKCON devotees who practice mantra meditation – chanting of the maha mantra Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna<br /> Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare - everyday for two hours are easily able to eschew intoxication (of all forms), gambling, meat-eating and illicit sex, which are the primary self-destructive activities impelled by lust. Ability to follow these four regulative principles is not necessary to begin chanting, but as these four activities greatly obscure the original consciousness of the soul, abstaining from them helps to accelerate the process of purification. While many people in the modern times are so captivated and enslaved by lust that they consider life without these activities an impossibility, devotees lead lives that are natural, peaceful, satisfying, meaningful and constructive, protected as they are by their mantra meditation. But the benefits of chanting do not stop with freedom from addiction, nor is chanting meant only for those victimized<br /> by self-destructive behavioral patterns. Chanting the Holy Names of God is a universal, time-tested, non-sectarian<br /> method of bringing about the blossoming of consciousness to its highest bloom of pure love for God and all living<br /> beings. Chanting frees one from all selfish desires, which throttle the flow of the fullness of life. It enables one to experience within oneself continuous happiness, which is absolutely independent of the state of the body and the external world. Chanting thus heralds the advent of a life of selfless spiritual service to God and all His children. This selflessness within individuals alone can form the basis of lasting world peace and harmony. Srila Prabhupada succinctly summarizes, &quot;Without the awakening of divine consciousness within the individual, there is no use of crying for world peace.&quot;</p> <p>The world-famous Beatle, late George Harrison, a diligent lifelong practitioner of mantra meditation, sings: If you open up your heart, You will know what I mean We’ve been polluted so long But here’s a way for you to get clean By chanting the name of the Lord and You’ll be free The Lord is awaiting on you all to awaken And see. - ‘Awaiting On You All’ from the album ‘All Things Must Pass’</p> <p>By Chaitanya Charan Das (BE E&amp;TC) </p>
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Anonymous 92@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p>“Success nowadays means to drive in a loaned car on a toll-charged expressway using credit card fuel.” This poignant statement shows the deceptive nature of the definition of success that is imposed on us by society. Indeed, most people today are “prisoners of success.” How? Generally, a prisoner is one whose freedom is restricted by immovable physical bars. The modern definition of success restricts people in their freedom by inflexible mental conceptions.<br /> For example, a person, to be considered a social success, has to have a posh row-house, a sleek car, a trendy cell-phone…. And for this, many people have to take a variety of loans, which indenture them to blood-sucking labor for years. Not only that, these loans create an agonizing mental burden due to the anxiety of repayment. This anxiety doesn’t allow them to peacefully enjoy the very comforts for which they accepted those anxieties.<br /> Even those who don’t have to take loans to maintain a “successful” image in society are not spared by the ghost of anxiety. They are haunted by the anxiety to protect what they have from rivals, thieves and even relatives. Thus they too are prisoners of success.</p> <p>If “success” does not make us happy, but instead makes us miserable, stress-filled, anxiety-ridden, then is that the kind of success we want in life? Unfortunately, most people run like programmed machines to try to achieve “success,” no matter how troublesome it is to achieve or maintain. Srila Prabhupada reveals the spiritual secret for a successful lifestyle, “Life is never made comfortable by artificial needs, but by plain living and high<br /> thinking.” Plain living will appear unattractive and impractical as long as we don’t find the spiritually satisfying object for high thinking – God, Krishna. </p> <p>When our thoughts are high and enlightened, we understand that we are spiritual beings thirsting for the nectar of love of God. We can have real peace by harmonizing with the benevolent will of God, by learning from the sacred scriptures like the Bhagavad-gita to accept gracefully and gratefully whatever He provides. And we can have real happiness by awakening our dormant love for God by chanting His holy names.</p> <p>By Chaitanya Charan Das (BE E&amp;TC) </p>
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Anonymous 91@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p>Imagine a tribal who drinks a stinking toxic liquid, goes crazy, shouts insensibly, topples into dirt, falls unconscious, returns to consciousness after several hours with severe headache and stomach upset and vomits helplessly in agony.</p> <p>Yes, this ad-glamorized modern ritual of self- torture is – alcoholism. This self-destructive ritual has turned the lives of millions of people into a alco-hell, as seen through the following US statistics:</p> <p>Alcohol contributes to 100,000 deaths annually, making it the third leading cause of preventable mortality in the U.S., after tobacco and diet/activity patterns. (National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism) Approximately once every week, someone in the U.S. dies a needless and fully preventable death due to alcohol poisoning caused by alcohol overdose (This happens even among non- addicted binge drinkers). (ibid.)<br /> During 2004, 16,694 deaths (one death every 31 minutes) occurred as a result of alcohol-related motor-vehicle crashes.<br /> This amount was approximately 39% of all traffic fatalities. (ibid.)<br /> Alcohol is typically found in the offender, victim or both in about half of all homicides and serious assaults, as well as in a high percentage of sex-related crimes, robberies, and incidents of domestic violence(NIAAA)</p> <p>Excessive drinking contributes to illness in each of the top three causes of death: strokes, cancer, and heart disease.<br /> (The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse (CASA) at Columbia University) Adolph Hitler propagated, “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” Few things illustrate this truth the way the lie of the pleasure of intoxication does. People know drinking kills – themselves and others, yet, victimized by propaganda, they become blinded to the suffering and captivated by the hope of pleasure.</p> <p> THE ULTIMATE INTOXICATION<br /> Some of us may have been saved from victimization by intoxication. Still even sober people can identify with the desire to experience a higher state of excitement and enjoyment that intoxication falsely promises to fulfill. That desire<br /> to be intoxicated with happiness stems from our spiritual essence. In our original pure existence in the spiritual world, we as souls are intoxicated with love for God and live in eternal happiness, oblivious to everything except our beloved Lord.<br /> No wonder that the Srimad Bhagavatam (11.13.36) compares a pure devotee with an intoxicated person, “Just as a drunken man does not notice if he is wearing his coat or shirt, similarly, one who is perfect in self-realization and who has thus achieved his eternal identity does not notice whether the temporary body is sitting or standing. Indeed, if by God's will the body is finished or if by God's will he obtains a new body, a self-realized soul does not notice, just as a drunken man does not notice the situation of his outward dress.”</p> <p>We can all experience that spiritual intoxication of divine love here and now by singing bhajans and kirtans, as many devout people can testify. Indeed the holy names of God like the Hare Krishna mahamantra bring so much joy that even addicted drunkards can quickly get rid of their addictions just by chanting regularly. No wonder Prof Stillson Judah, Berkeley University, USA, commended Srila Prabhupada, the founder of ISKCON and the greatest exponent of chanting: “I am simply amazed by your ability of turning drug-addicted hippies into devotees of Krishna (God), and servants of mankind.”<br /> Let us free ourselves – and others – from the deceptive high that alcohol promises.Let us instead “stay high forever” by reclaiming our rightful spiritual joyfulness. </p>
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Anonymous 90@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p>this sun and moon is like 2 eyes of Krishna continuously monitoring<br /> and what every energy effulgence coming out from body of lord Krishna<br /> this sun and moon just acting as reflecting mirror according as just<br /> them self like in morning sun is hot because we need energy in morning<br /> to work hard and in night we need cooling effect which is given by<br /> moon. </p>
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Anonymous 89@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p>How Are Your Pies!!</p> <p>Modern psychologists have found four principal parameters that determine our success and happiness Physical Quotient (PQ), Intelligence Quotient (IQ), Emotional Quotient (EQ) and Spiritual Quotient (SQ), which form the acronym PIES. Interestingly, four activities integral to Vedic culture nourish all these four dimensions of the human personality. </p> <p>1. PQ – Prasad –Sometimes people think of prasad as the small morsel of sweet handed out after religious rituals. However all the food that is sanctified by offering to Lord Krishna with love, as mentioned in the Bhagavad-gita (3.17), becomes prasad, the mercy of the Lord. So if we offer our whole meal, made of lacto-vegetarian foods, to Krishna, then all of it can be delicious and nutritious Prasad, that enhances our lifespan, strength and health.</p> <p>2. IQ- Svadhyhaya - Real intelligence is not just the ability to process information, which is primarily what we learn in academic institutes. Intelligence is the ability to discriminate between the short- term and the long-term, the material and the spiritual and the harmful and the beneficial. This intelligence is increased by studying, under the guidance of a guru, the time-honored manuals for holistic living like the Bhagavad-gita. </p> <p>3.EQ- Satsang – Real satsang is the association of those who have sadachara (exemplary behavior). The abilitytoresponsibly<br /> manage our own emotions and maturely respond to the emotions of others – the essence of EQ - comes by observing and imbibing the example of selfless saints. By their purity, maturity and sensitivity, these saints inspire and encourage others to discover God in their own hearts and thus become godly, loving and caring</p> <p>4. SQ – Sadhana – Our daily spiritual discipline, sadhana, rejuvenates us through contact with God and helps us stay focused on our life’s goals - spiritual and material. The easiest and most effective sadhana in the current cosmic age is chanting of the holy names of God. The sound of the holy name awakens us, souls, to our eternal spiritual glory as beloved children of God and eventually, by reviving our pure love for God, reinstates us in our eternal home, the kingdom of God.</p> <p>So are you baking your PIES to improve their taste?</p> <p>By Chaitanya Charan Das (BE E&amp;TC) </p>
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Anonymous 88@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p>Learning the Language of GOD</p> <p>Imagine that you are on a trek in a foreign land. Suddenly you see a person rushing toward you with both fists raised shouting madly in a foreign language. Instinctively you raise both hands to counter-attack. But that person rushes by and you hear a heavy blow landing on someone else. Surprised, you turn around and suddenly understanding dawns. A ruffian had been stealthily creeping in to attack you from behind and the person ahead had been rushing to save you from the ruffian. In his foreign tone he had been warning you, but being unable to understand his language you had completely misunderstood his intentions. You regret: if only I had known his language … Could this be the way we misunderstand God when problems suddenly rush into our lives? There is an amazing intelligence that arranges for all our basic needs – air, heat, light, water and food. Equally awesome is the organization that enables all the life-sustaining bodily mechanisms like metabolism, respiration, blood circulation. Sadly most people hardly spare even a thought to understand the purpose of the universe. And when things don’t work out according to the plans they make in a few minutes with their puny brains, they conclude that God is perverse, negligent or non-existent. Like in the above story, they can’t understand the language in which God speaks.</p> <p>Therefore, God gives us scriptures to serve as translators for us to understand His message and His plan. The Vedic scriptures – and indeed all religious scriptures– assert unequivocally that God is our greatest well-wisher. Through them God alerts us about the imminent onslaught of misery, old age, disease and death. God’s ultimate plan is to save us from all suffering and reinstate us in our eternal blissful life in His abode. As a part of His plan, God often breaks things to transform them into something far more valuable. He breaks clouds to give rains, breaks soil to give grains, breaks grains to give bread and breaks bread to give nourishment. Similarly, He sometimes has to break our plans for temporary material enjoyment to enrich us with everlasting devotional bliss. Therefore, next time when providence seems to be inimically charging toward us, let us empower ourselves with divine vision and wisdom. </p> <p>By Chaitanya Charan Das (BE E&amp;TC) </p>
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Anonymous 86@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p>The Secret Of Fearlessness</p> <p>Have you seen how peacefully a child sleeps in the lap of his parent, even in a noisy, crowded local train? The hustle-bustle disturbs everyone, but not the child – due to his implicit faith in the protection of his parent.</p> <p>All of us strive diligently to overcome our many fears – financial, familial, social, academic and physical. However the necessary security measures like insurances, helmets, buzzer alarms, health checkups fail to free us from a disconcerting sense of insecurity within us. Why? The Vedic texts explain that all fear originates in an unbalanced, unrealistic material conception of life. The material aspect of our life has its importance; we need to feed, clothe, house and provide for ourselves and our loved ones. However Krishna explain in the Bhagavad-gita (16.10) that when we seek our sense of identity, self-worth, security and pleasure exclusively from our material positions and possessions, we open ourselves to fear. Because the material realm is characterized by constant, unpredictable changes, which often threaten to destroy or harm whatever is dear to us. We prepare ourselves to face some of the small, predictable and<br /> controllable changes, but still we consciously or subconsciously dread the huge, unpredictable and uncontrollable changes. Is there any way to overcome this deep-rooted fear? The more things change, the more we need to embrace the things that don’ change. That Bhagavad Gita (2.14) describes, “Of the material, there is no endurance and of the spiritual there is no cessation.” Beyond the stage of material activity that preoccupies our mind lies a vast, unexplored realm of spiritual tranquility. We are spiritual beings, souls, originally from a spiritual world, the kingdom of God, who is our eternal loving father. Currently we are occupying material bodies and inhabiting this material world. The more we harmonize with our spiritual nature, the more we become fearless. Understanding that we are, at our core, spiritual and, hence indestructible, fills us with an unshakeable self-security; we recognize that worldly upheavals that affect our material assets have no power whatsoever to hurt us. Moreover, understanding that a<br /> benevolent God is ultimately orchestrating all material happenings helps us to see order amidst change, plan amidst chaos. </p> <p>The most practical and potent technology to equip ourselves with steady vision of this spiritual reality is divine sound. By chanting the bona fide holy names of God like the Hare Krishna mantra, we progressively experience both our own spiritual identity and God’ the protective presence ands guidance in our life. The more we enrich our faith by chanting, the more our devotion for Krishna increases. And when we make our life’ work a devotional offering for His service, we focus more on the object of our service – God and not its fruit – the immediate material result. This shift of focus releases large reserves of mental energy, which are choked by our worry about the future. Chanting gives us the calmness to see that almost all fears are more perceived than experienced. The more we become free from fear of the future, the more we can fully absorb ourselves in our present duties. Thus spiritual principles and practices empower us to access and utilize even our material talents better and execute even our material duties better. Ultimately spirituality is the only way to conquer the greatest of all fears – death. For a mature devotee, death is not a fearful<br /> termination of existence, but a joyful reunion with God in His everlasting abode. Therefore just as the child stays peaceful amidst chaos, let us become tranquil amidst ups and downs by empowering ourselves with spiritual devotion.</p> <p>By Chaitanya Charan Das (BE E&amp;TC) </p>
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Anonymous 83@http://absolutetruth.in/forums/ <p>Are You Centrifugal Or Centripetal!!</p> <p>All of us have two conflicting forces within our psyche: A centrifugal force that directs our quest for enjoyment outwards to the endless parade of sense objects.<br /> A centripetal force that directs us inwards to the all-attractive reservoir of all pleasure, God, Krishna, residing in our own hearts.</p> <p>In most people, the centrifugal force is so overwhelmingly powerful that they their centripetal force becomes almost non-perceivable. Our society – culture, media, billboards – continuously adds vectors to the centrifugal force already raging within us. Centrifugal lifestyle leads to anxiety and misery:</p> <p>Anxiety: When we feel our happiness and our very self-worth dependent on externals like fashionable clothes, jazzy mobiles, posh houses, trendy cars, then we undergo constant anxiety to get what we lack and to preserve what we have.</p> <p>Misery: Sooner rather than later, when we lose our prized car to the mortgage or when a colleague gets a better car, we burn in misery. Will we become happy by earning more and accumulating more? Never. Because, no matter how much<br /> we have, the centrifugal force will keep dragging us outwards to get still more. </p> <p>To find satisfaction, we need to change our lifestyle from centrifugal to centripetal. How do we do that? The first step is to meet centripetally-oriented scientists – spiritual activists devoted to the service of God and the welfare of humanity – and to see for ourselves how less is more; the less they are externally distracted, the more they are internally fulfilled. They will offer us the first centripetal push.</p> <p>The most sustainable centripetal propeller for our steady inner journey is the holy name like the Hare Krishna maha-mantra. The holy name not only effectively counters the centrifugal passions, but also. efficaciously kindles our dormant zeal for centripetal research<br /> This centripetal research culminates in the greatest discovery of our lives – the discovery of Krishna, the source of all happiness. Then we won’t need to demand the Nobel Prize to reassure ourselves of our success – for that will stand exposed as another centrifugal illusion. Instead, we will nobly share our prize with everyone by inspiring and guiding them to become centripetal millionaires.</p> <p>By Chaitanya Charan Das (BE E&amp;TC) </p>