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		<title>By: vytenis</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 11:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it would be silly to suggest that Darwin&#039;s teachings are to blame for every single attrocity committed by people in the world (eithey before or after 1859). As Sthita-dhi-muni prabhu correctly observed, the atrocities have been going on a long time before that infamous book and its ideas. However, if we take for instance Christianity, the attrocities committed by Christians were never done with the support of Christ&#039; teachings but IN SPITE OF THEM (or thanks to the horrible perversions of them). Christianity teaches us that killing is WRONG, causing suffering to innocent people is WRONG, but people do it anyway. The same is with the ideas of other religfions (Islam may be an exceptionbal case, but that is another complicated matter). The Buddha never taught killing people, but there have been enough bloodshed in the Buddhist nations (take the most recent carnage in Bangkok for example). The same in India, despite the noble Ahimsa ideal propounded by the Vedas. Be that as it may, the cultural and religious restrictions curbed the violence (or at least tried to) originating from the material conditioning (or from the deepest animalistic instincts) of human beings. But there was always the clear and unanimous understanding in the world religions that such things are WRONG and that our nature is SPIRITUAL, therefore we must not give in to the lower material instincts and start going on materalistic rampage and wreaking havoc all around us. However, with the &quot;discoveries&quot; of Darwin, Freud, Marx, Lenin and the other &quot;sages&quot; of materialism, the green light was given to the attrocities. According to these materialistic and demoniac teachings, there is no soul, no spiritual reality, it is in our nature to kill, to fight for survival, to be brutal, to go on rampage, etc. All this was sanctioned in the name of science (which took the authority of God in the modern times). Moral teachings lost philosophical support, in this brutal materialistic worldview there was no scientific or philosophical basis left to be good or to curb the worst instincts of the material nature. Therefore the people felt free to engage in anything they want, because after all this is our nature and all these sentimental religious teachings are just silly fairy tales. Yes, there have been attrocities before Darwin, but they were not sancioned by most of the philosophies and religions at that time. However, with Darwin the most horrible things were theoretically allowed and it was only the matter of time until they would be implemented in practice, because there were no solid theoretical basis left to stop them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it would be silly to suggest that Darwin&#8217;s teachings are to blame for every single attrocity committed by people in the world (eithey before or after 1859). As Sthita-dhi-muni prabhu correctly observed, the atrocities have been going on a long time before that infamous book and its ideas. However, if we take for instance Christianity, the attrocities committed by Christians were never done with the support of Christ&#8217; teachings but IN SPITE OF THEM (or thanks to the horrible perversions of them). Christianity teaches us that killing is WRONG, causing suffering to innocent people is WRONG, but people do it anyway. The same is with the ideas of other religfions (Islam may be an exceptionbal case, but that is another complicated matter). The Buddha never taught killing people, but there have been enough bloodshed in the Buddhist nations (take the most recent carnage in Bangkok for example). The same in India, despite the noble Ahimsa ideal propounded by the Vedas. Be that as it may, the cultural and religious restrictions curbed the violence (or at least tried to) originating from the material conditioning (or from the deepest animalistic instincts) of human beings. But there was always the clear and unanimous understanding in the world religions that such things are WRONG and that our nature is SPIRITUAL, therefore we must not give in to the lower material instincts and start going on materalistic rampage and wreaking havoc all around us. However, with the &#8220;discoveries&#8221; of Darwin, Freud, Marx, Lenin and the other &#8220;sages&#8221; of materialism, the green light was given to the attrocities. According to these materialistic and demoniac teachings, there is no soul, no spiritual reality, it is in our nature to kill, to fight for survival, to be brutal, to go on rampage, etc. All this was sanctioned in the name of science (which took the authority of God in the modern times). Moral teachings lost philosophical support, in this brutal materialistic worldview there was no scientific or philosophical basis left to be good or to curb the worst instincts of the material nature. Therefore the people felt free to engage in anything they want, because after all this is our nature and all these sentimental religious teachings are just silly fairy tales. Yes, there have been attrocities before Darwin, but they were not sancioned by most of the philosophies and religions at that time. However, with Darwin the most horrible things were theoretically allowed and it was only the matter of time until they would be implemented in practice, because there were no solid theoretical basis left to stop them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sthita-dhi-muni dasa</title>
		<link>http://absolutetruth.in/2009/12/darwins-dark-legacy/#comment-960</link>
		<dc:creator>Sthita-dhi-muni dasa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prabhupada often commented Darwin&#039;s problem involved not recognizing the soul, or the self as jiva-atma. Perhaps it is worthwhile to consider how Darwin is not the only one suffering from that basic misconception.

Further, Prabhupada often argued that there is no advancement through material biological evolution, rather, that actual advancement is through spiritual evolution, via transmigration in conditional life.

Meanwhile, the moral dilemmas associated with Social Darwinism, could be another matter.

One drawback with this analysis is that it nearly suggests that the three modes of material nature where created by Mr. Darwin. It&#039;s as if Darwin had been anointed as the &quot;The Devil,&quot; with life on earth being beautiful before his advent.

I would also find it difficult imagining that the conditional jiva-atmas primal desire to lord it over the material nature as exhibited within human society began with On the Origin of Species, in 1859.

It is relevant to note how many historical factors could be analyzed as fueling the Great Wars I &amp; II fought during the first half of the 20th Century, and how it is the religious political right wing who often associate them with Mr. Darwin. It might be relevant further considering how there were many other great wars fought prior to our own two, and all well before the advent of Mr. Darwin.

For example, the ideological slaughter amongst the Europeans for over a century during the Reformation is one unfortunate example. Others might involve some of the battles in the Levant during the Crusades, especially the initial sack of Jerusalem. In the East, Timulane&#039;s sack of Delhi was noted for its unpleasantness. And before even that, perhaps we could consider many of the Roman campaigns of conquest, among others too numerous to count. History suggests that conditional life can be brutal, with or without a theory of biological change over deep time.

More recent developments bear light on the wholesale carnage wrought on the battlefields of the American Civil War. Even Abraham Lincoln pointed out in his Second Inaugural Address, that while certain antagonists argued for the economics of race based slavery on the strength of the Bible, others rightfully argued the opposite on the sanctity of the same Good Book. While the prayers of both could not be answered in full, nonetheless, justice was done according to the Lordâ€™s infinite wisdom.

Even during the 20th Century, there were numerous horrific instances of war and genocide that had nothing to do with Darwin theory, such as the slaughter of 1.5 million Armenians attributed to the Ottoman Turks. More recent examples involve genocide in Cambodia, the Balkans, and Rwanda.

Might we then consider how aspects of this presentation could be criticized with many of the same concerns it engages against the controversial reputation of poor Mr. Darwin? Perhaps a broader appreciation of Prabhupada&#039;s critique, and the historical events, would strengthen some of the arguments presented on this website.

ys sdm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prabhupada often commented Darwin&#8217;s problem involved not recognizing the soul, or the self as jiva-atma. Perhaps it is worthwhile to consider how Darwin is not the only one suffering from that basic misconception.</p>
<p>Further, Prabhupada often argued that there is no advancement through material biological evolution, rather, that actual advancement is through spiritual evolution, via transmigration in conditional life.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the moral dilemmas associated with Social Darwinism, could be another matter.</p>
<p>One drawback with this analysis is that it nearly suggests that the three modes of material nature where created by Mr. Darwin. It&#8217;s as if Darwin had been anointed as the &#8220;The Devil,&#8221; with life on earth being beautiful before his advent.</p>
<p>I would also find it difficult imagining that the conditional jiva-atmas primal desire to lord it over the material nature as exhibited within human society began with On the Origin of Species, in 1859.</p>
<p>It is relevant to note how many historical factors could be analyzed as fueling the Great Wars I &amp; II fought during the first half of the 20th Century, and how it is the religious political right wing who often associate them with Mr. Darwin. It might be relevant further considering how there were many other great wars fought prior to our own two, and all well before the advent of Mr. Darwin.</p>
<p>For example, the ideological slaughter amongst the Europeans for over a century during the Reformation is one unfortunate example. Others might involve some of the battles in the Levant during the Crusades, especially the initial sack of Jerusalem. In the East, Timulane&#8217;s sack of Delhi was noted for its unpleasantness. And before even that, perhaps we could consider many of the Roman campaigns of conquest, among others too numerous to count. History suggests that conditional life can be brutal, with or without a theory of biological change over deep time.</p>
<p>More recent developments bear light on the wholesale carnage wrought on the battlefields of the American Civil War. Even Abraham Lincoln pointed out in his Second Inaugural Address, that while certain antagonists argued for the economics of race based slavery on the strength of the Bible, others rightfully argued the opposite on the sanctity of the same Good Book. While the prayers of both could not be answered in full, nonetheless, justice was done according to the Lordâ€™s infinite wisdom.</p>
<p>Even during the 20th Century, there were numerous horrific instances of war and genocide that had nothing to do with Darwin theory, such as the slaughter of 1.5 million Armenians attributed to the Ottoman Turks. More recent examples involve genocide in Cambodia, the Balkans, and Rwanda.</p>
<p>Might we then consider how aspects of this presentation could be criticized with many of the same concerns it engages against the controversial reputation of poor Mr. Darwin? Perhaps a broader appreciation of Prabhupada&#8217;s critique, and the historical events, would strengthen some of the arguments presented on this website.</p>
<p>ys sdm</p>
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